208 in hudson bay

[willow burner]

Anyone have new info? Only thing i can imagine is medical issues, but none of it adds up....a training flight by himself? With full fuel?

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/sau ... -1.1869931

Courtesy of CBC.CA

some quotes from the article:

"Search and rescue officials say debris consistent with a plane crash has been located in the waters of Hudson Bay Thursday morning, and there is no sign of the pilot."

"Debris was located at about 7 a.m. Thursday in an area about 500 kilometres east of Churchill, Man., 200 kilometres from Fort Severn, Ont."

"A spokesperson for the owner — Edmonton-based Morningstar Air Express — says it was an unscheduled flight."

I did not see the original posts.

[Spinner]

courtesy of Transport Canada CADORS

A Morningstar Air Express Cessna 208B (MAL8084) filed a visual flight rules (VFR) flight plan with the London, ON Flight Information Centre (CYXU FIC) for a local flight in the vicinity of Sault Ste. Marie, ON (CYAM). The aircraft went overdue. The Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC) notified and confirmed that a 406 emergency locator transmitter (ELT) signal for C-FEXV was being tracked. No further information recieved. Search and Rescue (SAR) is ongoing and the Transportation Safety Board (TSB) has been advised.

courtesy of TSB reports

A13O0182: The Morningstar Cessna 208 C-FEXV departed CYAM Sault Ste. Marie at 1215 EDT on a local VFR flight plan with a stated estimated enroute time of 30 minutes. The 406 ELT was activated during the flight and its location was tracked moving northbound several hundred miles north of CYAM. The last ELT position recorded was around 1700 EDT approximately 140 NNW of Fort Severn Ontario, over Hudson Bay. Several pieces of debris were located in this vicinity and their identity is pending confirmation.

[willow burner]

Elt activated DURING the flight? What the hey?

[North Shore]

Fell asleep on auto pilot? Woke up, and hit the ELT, wondering where s/he was??

Odd, this..

[frozen solid]

Something strange going on, eh? On the CBC site the "comments" below the main article are odd. Some predictable speculation and then a woman acting like she knows something others do not, and telling everyone to shut up and/or not believe everything they read. Being nosey, I tried to figure out how the hell she fits into all this but she seems to be a lab technician or something, nothing to do with airlines. Curiouser and curiouser...

[DanWEC]

If in fact there is a loss of life then I apologize... Buuuut, remember the guy who was the subject of a 60 minutes episode- attempted to fake his own death down south ? There was another over Lake Ontario IICR.

[bizjets101]

Facts;

Aircraft Cessna 208B Caravan registration C-FEXV (1995 build) imported 2005.
Operated by Morningstar Air Express for FedEx.

David Elias RCAF spokesperson comments;

A “younger” male pilot likely did not survive the crash 130 nautical miles north to northwest of Fort Severn, a Royal Canadian Air Force spokesperson says.

Survival was “virtually impossible,” said David Elias, because of the force of the crash and the cold water.

“It was significantly broken up,” said Elias in a telephone interview from Winnipeg on Friday.

“The debris field was spreading out over a considerable distance.”

A search for the pilot, the plane's lone occupant, lasted “probably longer than even the models for survival would suggest,” said Elias.

“We decided we were going to search anyway.”

The plane had enough fuel for four hours, but crashed in an area where no airports were nearby. The pilot was “not communicating via radio,” during the flight, said Elias

“It was a test flight that wasn't supposed to last very long,” he said. The small plane was expected to return to the Sault.

“Given his proximity from any airfields (there was) not sufficient fuel to get him to safety.”

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Greg Fowler Moringstar Air Express comments;

Reading from a statement, general manager Greg Fowler said the trip “was an unscheduled flight.”

The company is co-operating with investigators, said Fowler.

[StratusSmoke]

The pilot was “not communicating via radio,” during the flight, said Elias

This may have become a "fact" in the post-accident investigation but at least one ATS unit with radio facilities along the probable/possible route of flight had no knowledge of the incident whilst it was happening.

[PilotDAR]

From the CBC:

It was expected to fly north and then return to Sault Ste. Marie half an hour later

No Caravan is capable of that, if "north" is that far up Hudson's Bay.... Something does not add up....

[GyvAir]

Quote:
It was expected to fly north and then return to Sault Ste. Marie half an hour later

I took that to mean that it was expected to fly in a northerly direction for 30 minutes and then fly back to the Sault. Or 15 minutes north, 15 minutes south for total trip time of 30 minutes. Local flight only.

[Elessar_44]

Flying into thunder bay on Wednesday afternoon around 3 pm ATC kept asking people to tune to 121.5 as they were trying to coordinate where a signal was coming from. They said, at the time, they believed it to be around Cat Lake. Was it this pilot's ELT going off enroute?

[crazy_aviator]

Disgruntled employee, depression, leading to suicide ?

[Bede]

Disgruntled employee, depression, leading to suicide ?

At least someone has the balls to say what everyone's thinking. Any other theories besides the UAV lock-out cover-up?

[polar one]

At least someone has the balls to say what everyone's thinking

Not saying it because if it turned out to not be true it would be a cruel and thoughtless comment.

[flyingdutch]

I don't know anymore than anyone else, but my theory is a medically incapacitated pilot/fuel exhaustion situation. Very similar to the Payne Stewart (N47BA) incident, without the hypoxia and CNN coverage. I hope that they can raise the aircraft (or what's left of it) from Hudson Bay so that the family can have some closure. It's a sad story all around without a whole lot of answers, just lots of questions.

[razorblade]

I don't know anymore than anyone else, but my theory is a medically incapacitated pilot/fuel exhaustion situation. Very similar to the Payne Stewart (N47BA) incident, without the hypoxia and CNN coverage. I hope that they can raise the aircraft (or what's left of it) from Hudson Bay so that the family can have some closure. It's a sad story all around without a whole lot of answers, just lots of questions.

My thoughts exactly. A medical situation would defeinitely explain this.. Maybe all he could do was activate the ELT before incapacitation.

A lot more reasonable than UAV conspiracies. Jeez..

[sky's the limit]

I have edited this thread and put it back.

Obviously there's more going on with this one than meets the eye, but please try to use some tact and respect when posting on this topic or your post will be deleted and you will be given a time-out. Once again, refer to this: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=91458

If you want to discuss UFO's and conspiracy theory please find another forum.

stl

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from CBC.ca

RCMP have called off the search for the pilot of a small plane that crashed into Hudson Bay.

Debris from the plane crash was found about 500 km east of Churchill, Man.

The Cessna 208 went down Wednesday about 500 kilometres east of Churchill, Man.

Police say debris from the plane was recovered, but there was no sign of the pilot, who was the only person on board.

One person was on board the Cessna 208 when it left Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., Wednesday on a training flight. It was expected to fly north and then return to Sault Ste. Marie half an hour later.

Nunavut RCMP, the Transportation Safety Board and the Nunavut Coroner's Office are investigating.

[Doc]

Well, it certainly doesn't seem yo be your garden variety accident.
Single pilot "local" training flight out of YAM, ends up in Hudson Bay.
The cost of recovering the aircraft would be about the same as an America's Cup campaign.
Frankly I haven't seen any "disrespectful" posts on this subject.
It has the makings of a Stephen King novel. In a previous thread, the Twilight Zone was mentioned.
I have a feeling this was not "pilot error".
Happy Trails

[PointyEngine]

Well, it certainly doesn't seem yo be your garden variety accident.
Single pilot "local" training flight out of YAM, ends up in Hudson Bay.
The cost of recovering the aircraft would be about the same as an America's Cup campaign.
Frankly I haven't seen any "disrespectful" posts on this subject.
It has the makings of a Stephen King novel. In a previous thread, the Twilight Zone was mentioned.
I have a feeling this was not "pilot error".
Happy Trails

Comon Doc, the whole America's Cup debacle is still a bit tender for some of us.

No comment in regard to the actual topic of post. As of yet, we have no hard evidence, so hold on the speculation kids... My thoughts with the family and friends of the guy involved.

[J31]

If something bad has happened to this individual it is very sad and condolences to loved ones.

However the details of this crash are very odd.

It looks like a direct track from Sault Ste. Marie to Coral Harbour. Enough fuel to get well out over Hudson Bay where a crash would not be survivable and where very little if any wreckage would be recovered. Then the ELT is activated which guaranteed the wreckage site would be found. If the ELT had not been activated I believe this aircraft would have just disappeared without a trace.

[xchox]

Going on what I have read, facts, thoughts, and going by my own assumptions and experience, here is what "I" "think" may have happened.

Pilot took off for a flight. Entered a heading hold/track hold into the A/P. Then may have had carbon monoxide leak or medical issue where he/she became dizzy nauseous etc. Knowing of his/her condition all they may have been able to do was flick the ELT on (assuming what I read is true) or flick on and off the transponder (assuming what I have heard is true). Then they passed out/became unconscious. The plane continued to fly in a straight line till it ran out of fuel.

Helios Airways Flight 522 is an example.
Another good one by flyingdutch is: Payne Stewart (N47BA)

This is just my personal thoughts and is NOT to be used as facts!

[3-Green]

Haven't looked, but was the flight tracked on Flight Aware???

[Doc]

Going on what I have read, facts, thoughts, and going by my own assumptions and experience, here is what "I" "think" may have happened.

Pilot took off for a flight. Entered a heading hold/track hold into the A/P. Then may have had carbon monoxide leak or medical issue where he/she became dizzy nauseous etc. Knowing of his/her condition all they may have been able to do was flick the ELT on (assuming what I read is true) or flick on and off the transponder (assuming what I have heard is true). Then they passed out/became unconscious. The plane continued to fly in a straight line till it ran out of fuel.

Helios Airways Flight 522 is an example.
Another good one by flyingdutch is: Payne Stewart (N47BA)

This is just my personal thoughts and is NOT to be used as facts!

Fails to explain the single pilot "training" flight in the first place. Or the full fuel. Can't see your scenario as viable. At all. As for being overcome by CO, anything is possible, I guess, but I've got a chunk of time on Caravans. Pretty well ventilated airplane. Also, to get the range required to fly that far, the auto pilot would have had to have the TOC pretty much at the airplane's service ceiling. Would never have made it at 6000'.

Anybody know the standard fuel load for the route that airplane flew?