Time to cut cost........again

Blastor · Post by **Blastor** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:02 am

WestJet moves Toronto operations

Jul. 2, 2005. 01:00 AM

GREG COATES SPECIAL TO THE STAR

Travelling on WestJet from Pearson International? If so, you'll have to make your way to Terminal 3, the carrier's new Toronto home.

In a bid to cut costs, WestJet has moved its Toronto operations from Terminal 2 to Terminal 3, described as "a lower-cost terminal from which to operate."

In other news, WestJet has announced enhancements to its schedule, including new service to Fort Myers Southwest Florida International Airport on Sept. 6 and Las Vegas on Sept. 8.

Nothing to do with guest convenience.
Everything to do with cutting losses.
Is your profit share next? Oops Sorry: There's no profit share
Should've stayed in Hamilton!!

WestJet Airlines WJA-T Last Trade:Jul 07, 2005 11:43 EST
Last: C$ 13.400 Net Change: C$ -0.100 % Change: -0.74%

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:45 pm

Well numnuts, I guess you haven't been in Terminal 2 lately........It's a dump compared to T1 or T3 and there's only about 3 crappy restaurants left. Terminal 3 is worlds better than T2, and if it's cheaper to operate out of, well that's an added bonus!

PS. The spot where Westjet was at T2 is going to be torn down soon for the new part of T1, so they'd likely have to move sooner or later anyway.

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:55 pm

I'd love to see the operating cost difference from T3 compared to YHM...especially after the addition of the hangers a while back, I thought YHM and W.J were a perfect match.
Lets just hope it all works out for them in the long run

-=0=LIR=0=-

Blastor · Post by **Blastor** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:23 pm

It's a dump compared to T1 or T3 and there's only about 3 crappy restaurants left.

Yup! And it's westjet in its great wisdom that decided to move to T2.
Numnuts indeed

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:28 pm

Negative. WestJet did not "decide" to move to T2.

Recall AC's snivelling to GTAA regarding gates at new T3? No gates for you WestJet!

But then GTAA realized that they needed a customer that actually pays its bills so guess what? Money talks.

More lies from -------. Yawn.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:53 pm

Machiavelli wrote:Negative. WestJet did not "decide" to move to T2.

Recall AC's snivelling to GTAA regarding gates at new T3? No gates for you WestJet!

But then GTAA realized that they needed a customer that actually pays its bills so guess what? Money talks.

More lies from -------. Yawn.

Not that I agree with Blastors' post but Air Canada has been around for over 70 years. Westjet, not even 10, so if you want to know where the lions share of revenue for the GTAA comes from, CCAA or not, it isn't Westjet.

J31 · Post by **J31** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:07 pm

Machiavelli wrote:Recall AC's snivelling to GTAA regarding gates at new T3? No gates for you WestJet!

I believe you mean the “New T1”

It is strange don’t you agree that WJ went from Hamilton to T3 to T2 and now back to T3 again.....I guess they had had their reasons

. Mind you the GTA is in the process of shutting down T2 and demolishing it.

turbo-prop · Post by **turbo-prop** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:22 pm

The main reason Air Canada is still around is thanks to the government

NovaBoy · Post by **NovaBoy** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:04 am

Westjet initially moved from T3 to T2 because of the lack of gates at T3 at the time (Jetsgo era). Westjet applied for T3 the day Jetsgo stopped flying. The GTAA would not let them move until it was sure that Jetsgo was finished.

I don't know if its cheaper, but it sure is a lot nicer. 3 Tim Horton's....all is good.

At least the guests don't have to ride the bus from terminal to terminal for U.S. Customs.

Blastor, who's stock fell $0.42 yesterday after releasing record load factors? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Westjet.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:13 am

NovaBoy

As you well know AC’s stock declined slightly yesterday due to the terrorist’s activity in London as did all other international airlines. The last I heard WJ wasn't/isn't an international airline.

NovaBoy · Post by **NovaBoy** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:08 am

AC's stock has been falling steadily since their pilots screwed the Boeing order.

Your right Westjet isn't an international carrier, I just like bugging Blastor, what are you his mother.....or bumchum.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:10 am

turbo-prop wrote:The main reason Air Canada is still around is thanks to the government

The existance of Westjet is due in large part to the government dude.

Who mandated that Canadian be merged into Air Canada? Who mandated a post merger Air canada to sit back with its' hands tied to give upstarts like Westjet room to grow? Things were fine at AC until the government and Onex got their mits involved.

I would love to see where Westjet would be if it was the one who was told to swallow Canadian and then be given a long list of rules on how it will conduct its business as a so called monopoly.

Don't get me wrong, I am not anti Westjet but statements like turbo-props are not accurate, naive and ignorant. I hope you don't work for Westjet because if you do, you are only making your colleagues look as stupid as you.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:42 pm

Previously, Jacky desperately submitted to the ol' tradition ploy. 70 years, eh? Not so much.

1937- Trans Canada Air Lines incorporated by Act of Parliament.
1965- TCA renamed Air Canada.
1977- Air Canada dumped by CNR.
1989- Air Canada dumped by federal government and privatized.
2000- bought Canadian Airlines. All would be well in 18 months...
2001- launches Tango
2002- launches Zip
2003- Air Canada files for bankruptcy protection.
2004- Air Canada emerges from bankruptcy protection as ACE Aviation
Holdings.

The 68-year old Air Canada no longer exists (just the flight attendants are 68 years old

). What you have is two-year old ACE Aviation Holdings. You might be familiar with how well two-year olds behave, reference the latest round of union/management and inter-union conflict

. If you choose to believe in your hallowed 68 year history, then old your head high for you have much to be proud.

And lion's share nothing. It would have starved to death. Air Canada was a crown corporation until 1989! On its own, it continued to lose money until mercifully laid to rest in 2003 ($3.5 billion in losses between 1998 and 2003 and $12 billion in debt by 2003). The lion of which perhaps you speak was the federal government who thankfully divorced itself from the leak in the payroll in 1989. Could you imagine what all of our taxes would be if Air Canada was still a crown corporation? Ouch.

I'll take my 10 years, thank you.

And I'll take WestJet every time on any even playing field against old ACE any day. Hell, tilt it in ACE's favour (not that it is now...) just to keep 'em afloat. Blaming WestJet or any other competitor for Air Canada's foibles is not only naive and ignorant but hilarious. Osama can't even take credit for that. Milton "has made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the stupid multitude". (da Vinci)

Air Canada sat back with its hands tied? Yes, that's why JetsGo, VistaJet, Greyhound, Roots and C3/Royal/CanJet I, etc are still going strong. Because Air Canada has it's hands tied by the big, mean old government. Too funny.

(And things were not fine at AC before the feds and onex).

And don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-ACE. Just anti-bullshit.

Keepin' it real, know what I'm sayin'? Mafacka. Peace.

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:07 pm

turbo-prop wrote:The main reason Air Canada is still around is thanks to the government

JG, I don't think you know what you are talking about. I think you are being brainwashed by just living in Calgary.

double-j · Post by **double-j** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:18 pm

These are exactly the banter type threads I wanna stay away from.

No winners.

cheers,

jj

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:00 am

I officially name Machiavelli the winner of this thread! :p Just kidding, of course.

Jaque, just so ya know, the worst thing that could have happened to westjet is if the Onex deal had been successful. 'Ol Gerry would have cleaned house, and a truly healthy company would have risen out of the ashes.

CFV2 · Post by **CFV2** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:12 pm

J31 wrote: It is strange don’t you agree that WJ went from Hamilton to T3 to T2 and now back to T3 again.....I guess they had had their reasons . Mind you the GTA is in the process of shutting down T2 and demolishing it.

Well, the likely reasons were that WJ had already committed to move out of T3 - the GTAA quite possibly had tenants lined up to take WestJet's space in T3.

As we all know, though, WJ's planned move into T1New was blocked by Air Canada, and WJ was left holding the bag. I suppose it was easier to move into T2 and make a go of that terminal than to go back and nix the move out of T3.... maybe cheaper, too.

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:30 pm

CFV2 wrote:
J31 wrote: It is strange don’t you agree that WJ went from Hamilton to T3 to T2 and now back to T3 again.....I guess they had had their reasons . Mind you the GTA is in the process of shutting down T2 and demolishing it.
Well, the likely reasons were that WJ had already committed to move out of T3 - the GTAA quite possibly had tenants lined up to take WestJet's space in T3.

As we all know, though, WJ's planned move into T1New was blocked by Air Canada, and WJ was left holding the bag. I suppose it was easier to move into T2 and make a go of that terminal than to go back and nix the move out of T3.... maybe cheaper, too.

WJ didn't have the choice to go back to T3 because jetsgo/canjet had all the gates and abiet still gates available...there where not enough to accomodate the summer expanded schedule. The only viable option was to move to T2...now T3 has the available gates due to jetsgone and T2 will get ripped down a little further.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:52 pm

Sorry folks, something just doesn't add up here. The move out of YHM was only the beginning. Clive just wanted to get closer to AC customers. Then came the move from T3 to T2. I think it may have had something to do with WJ wanting to be right next to AC for the LGA flights. Maybe he thought some of the AC customers would be influenced by that happy new competitor next door. When that didn't go so well and no more WJ to LGA, guess what? back to T3. I could be wrong, but we are all getting to know the Clive mentallity so well.

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:22 am

Sorry folks, something just doesn't add up here. The move out of YHM was only the beginning. Clive just wanted to get closer to AC customers. Then came the move from T3 to T2. I think it may have had something to do with WJ wanting to be right next to AC for the LGA flights. Maybe he thought some of the AC customers would be influenced by that happy new competitor next door. When that didn't go so well and no more WJ to LGA, guess what? back to T3. I could be wrong, but we are all getting to know the Clive mentallity so well.

Sorry but that's probably the dumbest thing I've read on this forum in a while.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:24 am

canadaeh.
My apologies if I made you guys sound a little sneaky. We all know that's not the WJ way of doing business.

Ryan Coke · Post by **Ryan Coke** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:08 am

tonysoprano wrote:nothing of any use

Don't tell me we have a new mindless mud-slinger, who has nothing better to do than bash a successful competitor. Or maybe it is a reincarnation of an old gomer with a new user name.

Having a different viewpoint is great, but try to make it something worth reading, and attempt to make the quality of this board some kind of reasonable level--not just brain dead name calling and accusations.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:09 am

Just curious then, what was the real reason for leaving T3?

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:32 pm

We wanted TNew. Tnew was already promised to Air Canada. T2 provided more room for us to grow. We moved to T2. Jetsgo went tits-up. More room in T3 with more ammenities for our customers and a much newer terminal. We moved to T3. The potential for code-sharing with other airlines also exists with airlines such as BA and Cathay operating there as well.

Ryan Coke · Post by **Ryan Coke** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:34 pm

Other posts have already gone over it, but in point form;

-WestJet expands YYZ operations, but not enough room in T3. Tried to go to T1 --as we know didn't work out (don't know who to blame here, I don't think anyone in this business should have any love lost for the GTAA, and it wouldn't surprise me if they are at fault)

-moved to T2, as that was the only terminal where we could consolidate all the operations. Not a very nice terminal.

-Jestgo collapses, opening up enough room in T3 to return. They did. Nicer terminal.

Time to cut cost........again

Time to cut cost........again

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