Waterbomber question

Instructor_Mike · Post by **Instructor_Mike** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:57 am

Does scooping water count as a touch and go?

If you only do engine shutdown on land do you need a float rating?

Note: I'm not talking about moral or stupid factor, just curiosity on the legals.

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:31 am

These can't possibly be serious questions... can they?

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:34 am

Why? I'm sure scooping won't count as a touch and go but it seems like a reasonable question.

GyvAir · Post by **GyvAir** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:16 am

First question I understand, but I'm not sure to what end... second one I really don't know what's being asked.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:26 am

1.) Uh,yes, I guess? Does anyone keep track of T&Gs? Why?

Boreas · Post by **Boreas** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am

Does one legally require a float rating in order to operate an amphibious aircraft only on land?

Most likely. I can definitely see TC coming after you for something like that. Doesn't matter if its right or wrong.

Just ask the Colonel.

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:57 pm

Boreas wrote:Does one legally require a float rating in order to operate an amphibious aircraft only on land?

It's not a float rating, it's an endorsement for flying seaplanes, read it carefully. That amphib, is still a seaplane, even when it lands on a runway. From there, should be strait forward to figure it out.

GUMPS · Post by **GUMPS** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:13 pm

Head, meet Wall...

Instructor_Mike · Post by **Instructor_Mike** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:20 pm

goldeneagle wrote: It's not a float rating, it's an endorsement for flying seaplanes, read it carefully. That amphib, is still a seaplane, even when it lands on a runway. From there, should be strait forward to figure it out.

This is kind of what I was thinking. If it's an amphib that I only fly off land, it is a seaplane but it also a land based airplane. Would I technically need both ratings?
The opposite could also be raised, if it's an amphib that only I only fly off the lake, do I need a land endorsement?

I'm not saying these are in anyway logical or practical, I'm just curious about the legals. (We all know dealing with transport can often times have nothing to do with logical or practical)

With the size of a 215, I'm assuming it needs a PPC so would change anything?

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:12 pm

North Shore wrote:1.) Uh,yes, I guess? Does anyone keep track of T&Gs? Why?
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Not quite, but I do and so do you keep track of the loads. If your doing it right T&Gs I'll be one and the same.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:56 pm

Correct, you are, Driving. I do keep track of loads, more out of habit that anything. Never kept track of t&g when I was training or at any other time, tho..

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:44 pm

In Nov of 95 I was hired to fly a Canadian C208 on amphibs in Dubai, because I was getting older and knew that shit happens I didn't want to fly it across the pond so a young fella took it straight to the Azores then on to Dubai. All landings were on wheels and I'm sure he didn't have a float endorsement. Also when I flew a Twin Otter Waterbomber, all scoops were logged as scoops, not water landings as when loaded with water the GW was now approved at 15,500 lbs so airframe inspections, etc, were upgraded. A water landing was logged as such.

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