Temporary foreign pilots in 2013

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cdnpilot77 wrote: But why is it relevant what they do in other parts of the world? We have the ability to effect policy as Canadians in only 1 country (Canada) in the best interest of Canadians. Saying we should do something because "they do it too" is way off the mark.
Because this thread is/was taking a turn from "it's illegal" to "it's wrong". If there are legal arguments against it, fine, use them, fight the system, that's what the laws are there for anyway...
On the other hand, if you're saying it's "wrong" or "immoral" or ... to hire temporary foreigners, then you should be honest with yourself and admit that the system that apparently lots of Canadian pilots hate, is being used by Canadian pilots themselves to work in other countries as well. If you want to stop foreign pilots to work in Canada, you should also stop Canadian pilots to work in other countries. But indeed, as you stated, that would mean ...
cdnpilot77 wrote: Then we would have many more Canadian pilots on the market in Canada, obviously.
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digits_ wrote: Because this thread is/was taking a turn from "it's illegal" to "it's wrong".
That is just the way you see it. Look at the LMO applications and look who is being hired "because there are no qualified applicants in Canada". There are over 100 applications posted here. Look through them.
Low time flight instructors.
Sightseeing pilots.
Power line or pipeline patrol pilots.
Single engine float pilots (bush).
Helicopter pilots.
Crop Dusters.
Chief pilots.
Director of Operations.
Test Pilots.
Simulator Instructors.
703, 704, and 705 line pilots.
Military pilots.

Basically, anyone who wants to hire any foreigner instead of a Canadian just has to jump through a few hoops and he gets the green light.........

Its a joke. Any excuse is valid to by-pass a Canadian in favor of any foreigner.........

There was a time at least when one needed a Canadian licence to fly commercially in Canada but not any more. Any Licence from any ICAO member country can and will be validated by TC for unrestricted commercial flying in Canada........
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Digit et al…
"you can't fake listening…it shows…"
Try to listen to what is being said here…the ones who understand are the ones who have the facts. I am sorry to say it appears you don't.
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This will drive Gilles nuts:

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/ ... rial-2014/
The Alberta Federation of Labour said that 65 of its ironworkers were laid off on Tuesday.

“They called the guys into an office, told them that they were gone, and they literally walked past the replacements on the way out,” McGowan said.

He alleged the foreign workers from Croatia are making about $18 an hour — half the wage of the Canadians.
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to be honest, as CANADIANS, it should drive EVERYONE nuts, shouldn't it??
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Sorry. My point was that this problem is not
unique to pilots, though Gilles kind of focuses
on that.
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Ok, got it, you're right.

On the other hand thank God Gilles does focus on this, because the government sure as hell lost their focus on this issue...
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the government sure as hell lost their focus
The first thing you need to realize is that the goverment
does not serve the citizens. The citizens serve the government.

Once this concept is understood, everything starts to fall
into place.

Politicians only want to get re-elected, so that they can
continue to exercise their power, and spend the citizen's
money. To influence them, you must affect their ability
to get re-elected.

The other branch of government is the unelected but
extremely powerful bureaucracy, which even the elected
politicians have little or no influence (let alone control)
over.

Ask Tony Clements about this.
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Colonel Sanders:

I don't know the author, but "A government should be afraid of the people, and not the other way around." We have lost sight of the fact that we elect them, we outnumber them, and we can demand more of them if only we pay attention. Only when we stand up will "public service" be an honourable career again.
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All you Harperites are learning fast what zealots care about.
(Go Israel!!!????) :(

This post isn't about politics it's about people who hate our way of life. You'll see. We want peace, freedom, normal families, secure work. They want slavery, them on top of the pyramid, and to smash our beliefs and families.
Of course the devil will wrap himself in our flag, you think he's stupid?
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Not sure I get that last post, but ...

This is interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj9_jt_5jHY
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Yep of course it's american business ... But it's same for Canada with Sunwing and it's just a start. We should be more concerned of our futur too and have a real look in how to maintain work conditions and raise work standards.
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Its happening in many industries, and we as a group/country, need to stop the outsourcing of jobs to the lowest bidder. Why should the spread between the top and the bottom only be broadened? Why are the top end continually trying to increase their wealth off our backs? Isn't that why people made their way to north america? For opportunity and to get away from the oppression by the lords and barons and land owners?

History will only continue to repeat itself..
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:lol: Looks like those "foreign workers" are doing a better job than the local Canadians. I would give positions out to the best qualified applicant, Canadian or not.
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Krimson wrote::lol: Looks like those "foreign workers" are doing a better job than the local Canadians. I would give positions out to the best qualified applicant, Canadian or not.
Ito ba ang karapatan ng order
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Pop n Fresh wrote:
Krimson wrote::lol: Looks like those "foreign workers" are doing a better job than the local Canadians. I would give positions out to the best qualified applicant, Canadian or not.
Ito ba ang karapatan ng order
Looked like they were communicating pretty well, a lot better than the people chosen to interview :lol:
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Krimson wrote:
Pop n Fresh wrote:
Krimson wrote::lol: Looks like those "foreign workers" are doing a better job than the local Canadians. I would give positions out to the best qualified applicant, Canadian or not.
Ito ba ang karapatan ng order
Looked like they were communicating pretty well, a lot better than the people chosen to interview :lol:
Hangga't hindi mo pakialam kung ano ang sa bag hindi mo na kailangang makipag-usap sa parehong wika bilang ng mga empleyado ng fast food
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Isn't that why people made their way to north america? For opportunity and to get away from the oppression by the lords and barons and land owners?
Um, no, not really.

The pilgrim fathers came mostly for religious liberty.

Meanwhile the practice of slavery is thoroughly embedded throughout the history of the American colonies and the USA.
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photofly wrote: Meanwhile the practice of slavery is thoroughly embedded throughout the history of the American colonies and the USA.
People work better when they're scared and can't afford to go home. Now go get some pelts and we'll give you just enough matches, lard and flower to get through winter. Behave yourself and you can have a little salt and a small candied fruit cake for Christmas.

We're not completely heartless.
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