Are they lying to us Gilles?

[Dh8Classic]

Hey Gilles,

I don't like to see false and unfair accusations made toward someone. On two separate threads this week, two posters have said either directly or indirectly that you have been specifically paid(one said by your employer) to make the statements you have about the foreign pilot issue at Sunwing and Canjet.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is untrue, but to clarify for all, could you please clear the air for us and let us know.

Have you been compensated in any form such as pay, scheduling or other methods in order for you to specifically work on this issue.

[FICU]

Why does it matter? It seems he posts facts about the TFW screw over happening in Canadian aviation and if the time he's put in to bring the issues to the forefront pays off, which it seems it is, I don't care what the circumstances are that surround the way he did the work.

This isn't just about what's good for Transat it's about what's good for all of us and those yet to join our ranks as Canadian professional pilots.

[ahramin]

DH8, the point others are making is that Gilles is in the employ of Air Transat, and therefore receives a paycheque from them whenever he flies one of their aircraft. Mr. Hudicourt is certainly not being compensated by anyone for all the work he has done bringing these issues into the light of day. Even ALPA has not put him on payroll, even though he has done more for Canadian pilot employment than any paid ALPA rep.

[sstaurus]

Are any of these other 'posters' willing to use their own name? No, they hide behind their anonymous computers and criticize with impunity.

[Rogerdodger2]

He was being paid by Transat to do this. It's not a lie it's straight from other Transat pilots. He has never denied it because it's true. It matters because his true motivation is to paint Transats competition in a bad light. He has no regard for the 230 pilots employed there all he wants are SW doors to close. If he cared about Canadian pilots he would be trying to put 230 of them out of work. WAKE UP!

[ahramin]

Utter nonsense Rogerdodger. Why make up such a ridiculous lie? Puts me in mind of the dougheads who enjoy making up silly rumours about their own airline to see how many cephaloplegic pilots will repeat them.

While Air Transat has been active in curtailing large foreign wetleases, they have been mute on the subject of foreign pilots. Would they pay someone to fight a practice that they may want to use in the future? Of course not.

Canjet is the largest carrier for TTC after Air Transat and they hire foreign pilots. Would a company pay someone to increase costs at their own supplier? Ridiculous.

Would anyone know about it if Mr. Hudicourt was being paid under the table by Transat's upper management? Of course not.

[Pop n Fresh]

He's putting in massive amounts of his time into trying to help Canadian pilots who don't care enough to get involved keep their wages from going down beyond a point where they can afford to fly as a job.

If there is a company paying him to do this maybe it would be a good place to submit a resume presuming you are qualified.

I have some cat pictures to look at now so I must go.

[Dh8Classic]

DH8, the point others are making is that Gilles is in the employ of Air Transat, and therefore receives a paycheque from them whenever he flies one of their aircraft. Mr. Hudicourt is certainly not being compensated by anyone for all the work he has done bringing these issues into the light of day.

Actually, he has been accused of being paid specifically to work on this foreign pilot issue and I have now seen it a third time on this very thread. This is not fair if it is not true.

He is on this board frequently, so I am sure that he will let us know if these are false accusations. If all we get is no response or exact subject avoidance, I'm sure that it will confirm in the minds of many(rightly or wrongly) that the accusations are true.

As some said, perhaps it is a good thing if true.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

This fine gentleman began a thread along those lines which was deleted by the moderators.
Then he came back with this one :

"Breaking News: Air Transat Pays PILOT to fight competition"

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... =5&t=85839

Other fine gentlemen like Trey Kule, Opec6-HEAVY and Rogerdodger2 had all insinuated the same around that time frame.

Why not ask those that made the statements to state their source ? Whenever I state something here I always back it up......... unlike yourself my dear Dh8Classic with your incessant false and ridiculous posts about Air Transat's "language barriers" meant not to hire anglos........although you fail to explain how Air Transat has always hired pilots that do not speak French. Did these pilots find a way into fooling the recruiters that they spoke French ?

[mantogasrsrwy]

No....you do not always back it up. You have wrongly speculated about Sunwing many times.

[BTyyj]

No....you do not always back it up. You have wrongly speculated about Sunwing many times.

Anyone else find it ironic that this statement didn't come with any evidence to back it up?

[Dick]

I don't find it ironic at all, I've been witness to some false insinuations. It's a simple question, with a simple answer, yes or no. Regardless of your opinion on the topic, a question has been put forth. One that should be simply answered if no feelings of wrong doing are felt by the individual being asked.

[mantogasrsrwy]

No....you do not always back it up. You have wrongly speculated about Sunwing many times.

Anyone else find it ironic that this statement didn't come with any evidence to back it up?

Ok How about we start with Gilles getting on here and telling everyone last winters contract pilots were hired on a B scale? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to speculation rather than something worse, either way it wasn't true.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Ok How about we start with Gilles getting on here and telling everyone last winters contract pilots were hired on a B scale? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to speculation rather than something worse, either way it wasn't true.

You are saying it wasn't B scale ? Then please explain, for everyone's edification here, why the contract pilots (the 2012/2013 Canadian winter contract pilots) were hired by a separate Corporation and not by Sunwing proper ? I know that at the end of the season, after the CAW contract had been negotiated and signed with the Union, the Canadian contract pilots were integrated in the main body of pilots and that separate crew hiring corporation was done away with. But were they not hired normally at the outset ?

[Dick]

It's a simple yes or no to end this thread.

[mantogasrsrwy]

Ok How about we start with Gilles getting on here and telling everyone last winters contract pilots were hired on a B scale? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to speculation rather than something worse, either way it wasn't true.

You are saying it wasn't B scale ? Then please explain, for everyone's edification here, why the contract pilots (the 2012/2013 Canadian winter contract pilots) were hired by a separate Corporation and not by Sunwing proper ? I know that at the end of the season, after the CAW contract had been negotiated and signed with the Union, the Canadian contract pilots were integrated in the main body of pilots and that separate crew hiring corporation was done away with. But were they not hired normally at the outset ?

Yes, we understand they were contract pilots, not union members, but 14000 a year more than a full time employee in lieu of benefits is not a b scale. Twist it however you like for your regular audience but many of us know that not all that you say is true.

[Dh8Classic]

It's a simple yes or no to end this thread.

Ladies and Gentlemen. The question has already been answered. It has been answered by not answering it. The question has been read by the subject person and he knows the answer and now so do we.

I have to admit, I assumed that all this was brought forth by an individual with a strong belief. A belief that might be right or might be wrong. This thread is not to debate that. It was only to clarify what I thought might have been a false accusation.

But it appears that there has been some financial backing by a corporation for all this. May not be direct cash, there are other ways to do things like extra days off with no financial loss.

Maybe it is for the good of all of us. But at least we now know the facts and can proceed from this point.

Glad to have helped clear the air.

[Rogerdodger2]

Still no answer from Gilles, just more BS.

[ZBBYLW]

Come on guys, are you against the fight that Gilles is fighting? If AT gave him a few extra days off per month for his efforts how is that a bad thing. Sunwing has been a very strong competitor to AT by means of hiring the trained foreign pilots in leu of untrained Canadian pilots, why would it be a bad thing that AT decided to help one of their pilots out who felt strongly against a matter that impacted both parties.

I fly for a company who has had to create an entire LCC to compete with the likes of the vacation market. Sunwing's explosive growth has made it difficult for my company to compete to many of the sun divisions, so much so many of the routes previously flown by mainline types are being flown by pilots earning up to 50 percent less than previous. Perhaps if Sunwing's costs were inline with WS or AT (I know AC has had a traditionally higher cost structure) we would not be having this issue today.

[Dh8Classic]

Never said on this thread that I was for or against. Only asking a question that never gets answered in print which in effect answers the question as we know now that it has been read.

You might think that this is O.K. and maybe it is, but I did notice thread recently with Gilles bashing the existence of Jazz. Is AT paying for this as well. Hopefully staying clear of the election though.

[sstaurus]

I'm guessing all of Gilles' critics here work for Sunwing. Otherwise I, too, don't see why they continue to go out of their way to smear his name. My god--someone who cares about other pilots?? Heresy! Burn the witch!

So easy to throw stones safely behind your computers.

[Troubleshot]

I don't see how Transat paying or not paying Gilles for this is relevant to the issue. I mean, there still is an issue is there not? would any of you "Gilles discrediters" take up the fight? Or would you rather just bitch about Gilles on Avcanada? I know Gilles works for AT but he has been professional towards Sunwing, after all Sunwing is just working the system...and that what needs to change, the system.

This is a serious issue, who give a flying @#$! who is delivering the message. We might as well get an industry professional from Canada (like Gilles) raise the issue rather than our MP's that have no clue what is going on....and may let the issue get swept under the carpet.

[Dh8Classic]

I'm guessing all of Gilles' critics here work for Sunwing.

Maybe they work for Jazz, that illegitimate airline.

As for Gilles question "although you fail to explain how Air Transat has always hired pilots that do not speak French. Did these pilots find a way into fooling the recruiters that they spoke French ?", it seems to fly in the face of his earlier statement that bilingualism is a requirement. Could it be that on rare occasion where straight-in captains are required that there are times when they have to lower their strict requirements. Maybe he could let us know how it worked for the recent new-hires. Expect no specific response though, again.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Sorry RogerDoger2 but your efforts are starting to look more like a "calling out" then rational discussion. I think Gillies would be wise to take the "high road" now.
Mapleflt

Thanks for the advice. The individual who started this thread and a couple of others who posted here are three of the select few who have the honor of being on my "ignore" list. I no longer read anything they post, let alone reply to them.

[mantogasrsrwy]

Sorry RogerDoger2 but your efforts are starting to look more like a "calling out" then rational discussion. I think Gillies would be wise to take the "high road" now.
Mapleflt

Thanks for the advice. The individual who started this thread and a couple of others who posted here are three of the select few who have the honor of being on my "ignore" list. I no longer read anything they post, let alone reply to them.

Sounds like the best thing to do when you can't answer the question and you don't have an argument.