Canada Flight Supplement

[Dutchpilotguy]

Hi everyone,

I have read on the always correct wikipedia that carrying a CFS satisfies the CAR 602.60(1)(b) requirements.

602.60 (1) No person shall conduct a take-off in a power-driven aircraft, other than an ultra-light aeroplane, unless the following operational and emergency equipment is carried on board:

(b) all of the necessary current aeronautical charts and publications covering the route of the proposed flight and any probable diversionary route, if the aircraft is operated in VFR OTT, night VFR flight or IFR flight;...

This to me seems obviously unreasonable for IFR, but does anyone have a spot where it says that the CFS must be carried during flight?

Also, can anyone shed some light on whether or not VFR pilots are required to comply with the published procedures. (Eg: VTA procedures chart containing VFR air routes).

[slam525i]

I'm not IFR rated, but why is it unreasonable?

Also, while the VFR route is recommended and most of the time makes sense, I've never had anyone tell me they're mandatory and never heard any complaints when I deviate from them.

[Big Pistons Forever]

602.60(b) does not mention day VFR as one of the conditions where quote all of the necessary current aeronautical charts and publications covering the route of the proposed flight and any probable diversionary route unquote; is required.

A nice tidbit to know if you are ever ramped.

However TC can always get you on 602.01 if you not having information on board that was causal to a event/incident/accident.........


For IFR flight the requirement to carry up to date publications is obvious. I once showed up for an IFR ride with an expired CAP book. The examiner initially was not going to allow me to proceed until I showed him that the relevant plates in the expired book for our route of flight and alternate had not changed in the latest revision. He wasn't happy but I forced the issue and I did the ride.

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't carry any pubs at all for day VFR.
No CFS, no maps, nothing.

If you do carry them (day VFR) it's ok if
they're expired.

[esp803]

Wouldn't want a CFS smashing the glass of the Pitts I suppose, haha.

E

[Colonel Sanders]

Actually, yes. Anything loose in the cockpit
flies around and creates a hazard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LojrmOMiXhU#t=135

[slam525i]

That's hilarious CS. I keep my pre-flight checklist & time sheet glued to a children's picture book titled "How to fly an airplane".

[182-SS]

Flying floats I don’t think I have ever flown a published VFR route.
Second the its ok if they are expired for Day VFR, TC doesn’t expect VFR pilots to update their CFS and maps every time a new version comes out.

[MrWings]

Don't they expect to see a current VFR chart for a commercial flight test? I thought they did but that was long ago. Maybe I am thinking of the IFR ride.

[Gmtn]

Also, can anyone shed some light on whether or not VFR pilots are required to comply with the published procedures. (Eg: VTA procedures chart containing VFR air routes).

Pilots are not required to fly a published VFR route in/out of an airport unless specifically cleared (or instructed) to fly that route by ATC. Some towers use the published routes regularly, others almost never.

[Salt]

The CFS airport pages have been added to the Fltplan Go android app, for anyone who uses that program. It provides free access now for the complete US and Canadian plates, lows, highs, and airport info. Its only really lacking the CAP Gen, but that can be downloaded for free from NavCan.

[AirFrame]

The CFS airport pages have been added to the Fltplan Go android app, for anyone who uses that program. It provides free access now for the complete US and Canadian plates, lows, highs, and airport info. Its only really lacking the CAP Gen, but that can be downloaded for free from NavCan.

Oh, wow... This marks the first time any NavCanada data that was previously only available by paying for it, is available at no charge somewhere. I wonder if NavCanada knows they're publishing it?

Note that it's not quite complete though... The two airports I looked up are missing their Procedures pages that show arrival/departure procedures (Victoria, and Langley).

[Trapper]

Mr Wings, FYI current charts and documents are required for all flight tests.

[AirFrame]

Interesting that the regs don't seem to require them for all flight tests.

[AirFrame]

The CFS airport pages have been added to the Fltplan Go android app, for anyone who uses that program. It provides free access now for the complete US and Canadian plates, lows, highs, and airport info. Its only really lacking the CAP Gen, but that can be downloaded for free from NavCan.

Okay, i've looked around in the Android app on my Nexus 5, and can't find them... They're on the fltplan.com website, but they don't seem to be on the mobile app yet. Unless there's an update pending?

[Salt]

The CFS airport pages have been added to the Fltplan Go android app, for anyone who uses that program. It provides free access now for the complete US and Canadian plates, lows, highs, and airport info. Its only really lacking the CAP Gen, but that can be downloaded for free from NavCan.

Oh, wow... This marks the first time any NavCanada data that was previously only available by paying for it, is available at no charge somewhere. I wonder if NavCanada knows they're publishing it?

Note that it's not quite complete though... The two airports I looked up are missing their Procedures pages that show arrival/departure procedures (Victoria, and Langley).

I've noticed that as well. That app is getting updated almost once a week, as they flesh out features on it, so it's likely the CFS portion will get fixed. Fltplan pays NavCanada for that data. FltPlan is able to make the data free to users by way of advertisements, and I believe it's main business is to act as a type of flight planning / dispatch service for charter and corporate aircraft operators. By providing the app for free, their hope may be to draw users into their more core subscription services. But its free! So i'm not complaining.

The app only works on my nexus 7 right now, not my nexus 5. Probably not optimized for use on a phone. You can use the regular Fltplan app for the phone for now, it provides access to everything except the CFS data.

Cheers

[1000 HP]

I'm wondering if an up to date Foreflight covers the paperwork requirement for the CFS ? The CFS puts me overgross..

[slam525i]

I'm wondering if an up to date Foreflight covers the paperwork requirement for the CFS ? The CFS puts me overgross..

From their website http://foreflight.com/support/canada#84

Are Canadian charts and plates authorized for in-flight use?

Yes. NAV CANADA digital charts are authorized for use in IFR flights, subject to Part VI of the Canadian Aviation Regulations. Canadian operators who wish to use ForeFlight and its NAV CANADA charting products can obtain authorization by following the guidance materials contained in FAA Order 8900, OPSPEC/MSPEC/LOA A061, and FAA Advisory Circular 120-76A.

[AirFrame]

The app only works on my nexus 7 right now, not my nexus 5. Probably not optimized for use on a phone. You can use the regular Fltplan app for the phone for now, it provides access to everything except the CFS data.

Ah, I see what my problem was... I thought the Fltplan.com app was the Fltplan Go app. I'm downloading on my wife's N7 now to try it. I'll see if I can hack the Go app onto my N5 later.

[Docbrad]

Just noticed today, the CFS is available free of charge via FltPlan Go

[AirFrame]

@Docbrad: Note that it's not complete. The procedures charts for airports aren't there, and many small airports aren't there at all.

[AirFrame]

Update: On the plus side, FltPlan Go now has Canada-wide VNC's. If they get VTA's, i'll never need to pay for charts again!

[Docbrad]

Good news! VTA's are now available, free of charge with FltPlan.com!

[AirFrame]

I thought i'd never see the day. Amazing. That just justified me purchasing a new tablet.

[ThatArmyGuy]

Don't they expect to see a current VFR chart for a commercial flight test? I thought they did but that was long ago. Maybe I am thinking of the IFR ride.

I heard of a CPL student last fall almost fail the diversion/precautionary landing portion because he didnt have a VTA (the diverted aerodrome was in the VTA so the elevation couldn't be found on the VNC for inspection/circuit height and airport frequency) and a CFS (couldn't quickly check the procedures to see if there were any right hand circuits, etc).