A flight attendant persuaded the woman to sit back down, but nobody physically restrained her. Parker said the other passengers stayed belted in their seats in case she did manage to open the door.
FA: Umm, excuse me maam, could you please refrain from trying to open the door during flight and return to your seat.
" Ma'am, in light of your refusal to refrain from attempting the emergeny door and putting the rest of us in danger, please accept this complimentary fire extinguisher to the back of the head. "
I think with the rise of mental illness and general chaos in society, many things, including these emergency doors need to be re-visited and thought out. In the past we counted on peoples common sense and respect to keep us safe in conditions such as this.... no one is going to open the emergency exit for no good reason in-flight.... it just doesn't make sense ! No longer.
Not too sure if more male F.A's are the anwser, more automated systems etc, but I know the top brass need to stop counting on peoples good will, or the fit is gunna hit the shan one day
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I wish anyone good luck trying to open an airliner's door in flight with the pressurization on.
Even at low level with a pressure differential of, let's say, 1 PSI and a door measuring 6' x 3' it works out to 2592 lbs. of pressure acting on the door. If you can pull that inwards enough to open it you can probably fight off any number of crew and passengers trying to stop you.
At altitude with a diff of 8 PSI that goes up to over 20000 lbs. of pressure on the door.
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Flying Low wrote:I wish anyone good luck trying to open an airliner's door in flight with the pressurization on.
Even at low level with a pressure differential of, let's say, 1 PSI and a door measuring 6' x 3' it works out to 2592 lbs. of pressure acting on the door. If you can pull that inwards enough to open it you can probably fight off any number of crew and passengers trying to stop you.
At altitude with a diff of 8 PSI that goes up to over 20000 lbs. of pressure on the door.
What would the pressure differential be at 4000' ? Wouldn't it be equal because they maintain pressurization at 8000' or so? Just curious...
Flying Low wrote:I wish anyone good luck trying to open an airliner's door in flight with the pressurization on.
If you can pull that inwards enough to open it .
Now correct me if I am wrong cause I really don't know, but don't airliner doors open outwards
As you start decending, a proper pressurization system will lower the cabin at about 500 fpm (this can be set by the pilot). By 4000 feet or so, the cabin should be at airport elevation and holding a diff of about two. from then on the cabin will stay the same and the diff will start coming down.
the door will pull in slightly then out. And ya, good luck getting that door open fully pressurized. If you could, my only question would be who let the gorilla on the plane
Flying Low wrote:I wish anyone good luck trying to open an airliner's door in flight with the pressurization on.
If you can pull that inwards enough to open it .
Now correct me if I am wrong cause I really don't know, but don't airliner doors open outwards
kinda....intially they pull inside, pivot then go out.....hard to explain.....but trust me
The door on any modern airliner I've seen opens inwards to allow the door to cant slightly before it can swing out of the plane. This allows the door to be held closed by both the locking mechanism and the pressure in the aircraft rather than having to build a strong elaborate locking mechanism that will hold the above mentioned pressures.
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The recent post about some woman trying to open a door in flight prompted an old thought which may now have some value in light of the past few years of airline woes.
PROBLEMS:
Terrorism and security concerns. Stupidity in flight, passenger rage, boredom, jet-lag, seat prices,
SOLUTION:
All passengers on check-in will be relieved of carry-on bags.
All passengers will strip naked and dress in paper suits provided.
All passengers will be drugged.
All passengers will be stacked on pallets and loaded into a cargo-configured aircraft by forklifts.
Passengers will be revived on arrival and turned loose.
See? Reduced costs, cheap fares, less staff, no stupid fake security, no boredom, quicker turn around times, smaller terminals, arrive refreshed.
The possibilities are endless!!!
Great job avoiding the real point. Ok so the pressure differential in flight will keep the door closed....great, and while on the ramp ? What about smaller commuter flights that aren't pressurized ? The point being made is that people are more whacked out these days then ever before and it seems we are being reactive, instead of proactive.
M & G, I never said more males on staff was the anwser... If you read it, I just threw it out there and said I don't know what the anwser is...but in your defence, a smartass is better than a dumbass.
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Flying Low wrote:I wish anyone good luck trying to open an airliner's door in flight with the pressurization on.
If you can pull that inwards enough to open it .
Now correct me if I am wrong cause I really don't know, but don't airliner doors open outwards
All the doors that I know of are "plug" type doors, ie if the cabin is pressurized, the door will not open. The plug jams into the hole to seat the door, and is more securely sealed as the differential increases. At altitude the differential is probably in the 8psi range (plus/minus). per sq inch, figure out the pressure on the door.
As the aircraft lands, the pressure is supposed to bleed off as the squat switch signals to open the outflow valve. Before the f/a's or outside crew open the door, they must remember to check that the diff is zero, or risk injury. An f/a (Delta??) was killed not too many years ago, opening a door and being chucked out onto the ramp, when the diff as not zero, and probably only a residual pound or so pressure.
snaproll20 wrote:The recent post about some woman trying to open a door in flight prompted an old thought which may now have some value in light of the past few years of airline woes.
PROBLEMS:
Terrorism and security concerns. Stupidity in flight, passenger rage, boredom, jet-lag, seat prices,
...
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NO, NO, NO. Issue EVERYONE with a gun as they board. Then there is no security concern. You don't have to worry about someone on board having a firearm at all. You have to hold up your hand to go to the can, though. Service will definitely improve.
snaproll20 wrote:The recent post about some woman trying to open a door in flight prompted an old thought which may now have some value in light of the past few years of airline woes.
PROBLEMS:
Terrorism and security concerns. Stupidity in flight, passenger rage, boredom, jet-lag, seat prices,
...
!
NO, NO, NO. Issue EVERYONE with a gun as they board. Then there is no security concern. You don't have to worry about someone on board having a firearm at all. You have to hold up your hand to go to the can, though. Service will definitely improve.
So that's why Americans are considered so polite worldwide!
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hazatude wrote:An armed society is a polite society.
It's also a society that is willing to accept the fact anyone with any agenda can purchase a semi-automatic weapon and do their worst. I fully agree with the phrase " Guns don't kill people, people kill people "
....becareful what you wish for. The world is on a slippery slope of morality. The value of life is at an all time low. Arming people in such a society will only attempt to put out a fire with the contents of your fuel truck. Not to mention the terrorists of the world won't even need to smuggle weapons into the country...they'll just buy them when they get there.
I own several firearms. Spent a few years in the military and have been shooting competitively since I was 7. I was taught at a very early age to respect them and I know first hand the damage they can cause.... but what about the people out there that are given the same access when they only want to kill people ?
More handguns and semi-auto rifles are used for crime than for protection, hunting and self defence....I can hunt with a .308 and compete with a single shot Remmington XP-100 or TC contender...what do I need a 13 round clip for ?
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hazatude wrote:An armed society is a polite society.
It's also a society that is willing to accept the fact anyone with any agenda can purchase a semi-automatic weapon and do their worst. I fully agree with the phrase " Guns don't kill people, people kill people "
....becareful what you wish for. The world is on a slippery slope of morality. The value of life is at an all time low. Arming people in such a society will only attempt to put out a fire with the contents of your fuel truck. Not to mention the terrorists of the world won't even need to smuggle weapons into the country...they'll just buy them when they get there.
I own several firearms. Spent a few years in the military and have been shooting competitively since I was 7. I was taught at a very early age to respect them and I know first hand the damage they can cause.... but what about the people out there that are given the same access when they only want to kill people ?
More handguns and semi-auto rifles are used for crime than for protection, hunting and self defence....I can hunt with a .308 and compete with a single shot Remmington XP-100 or TC contender...what do I need a 13 round clip for ?
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I agree on the high cap mag hanguns but who are you to take away my right to arm myself? You George W Bush or something? LOL
Seriously. If you are allowed (sigh) to fly a 747, then why are you not, "allowed" to protect yourself in this country?
I've been through the shit bro. I've shot with the best of them and am fully trained on the 870 and the S&W Model 10 for defensive weoponry. Why do i feel insecure in my own house?
I found it most interesting that force was not automatically used against the person seen obviously trying to open the door......but rather verbal request.......you'd think they would have Rodney King'd her ass first sign of mischief near the door.
Anyways, seems no one has answered the real important question...
Many pressurized airplane doors are plug type but not all. Most of the larger airplanes have plug doors exclusively but some large turboprops and smaller jets have other means.
The 748 has claws that hold the doors. The CRJ and Challenger series jets use rotating locks that hold pins. Metros have the legendary "click clacks" that essentially pin the door closed.
Even so, pressurized airplanes have primary and secondary locks as well as pressure locks and in some cases speed locks. Never mind the force needed, the passenger wouldn't likely even get the locks undone.
Too bad they couldn't have slowed down depressurized then thrown the wacko out close the door and carried on their merry way. Then hand out the tee-shirts that say "If you can read this then the bitch fell out!"
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N2 wrote:Too bad they couldn't have slowed down depressurized then thrown the wacko out close the door and carried on their merry way. Then hand out the tee-shirts that say "If you can read this then the bitch fell out!"
Bahahaha !
Classic....I have one of those T's....the bitch fell off...
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