Did Air Canada pilots really take concessions in this negotiating climate?

[RRJetPilot]

It doesn't come across to me as complaining.

Maybe just statement of fact or one's perspective.

What does come across as complaining are your semantics and carrying on about it. Just let it go.

You don't work at WestJet, you don't work at Sunwing, you don't work at AC. so why are you in an AC thread that is hijacked with discussion of WestJet and Sunwing lifestyle?

Ummm, cause it’s a public forum!

Thats weird.

[cdnavater]

It doesn't come across to me as complaining.

Maybe just statement of fact or one's perspective.

What does come across as complaining are your semantics and carrying on about it. Just let it go.

You don't work at WestJet, you don't work at Sunwing, you don't work at AC. so why are you in an AC thread that is hijacked with discussion of WestJet and Sunwing lifestyle?

Ummm, cause it’s a public forum!

Thats weird.

That’s not weird, you’re weird for thinking it’s weird!

[Aerkavo]

That’s not weird, you’re weird for thinking it’s weird!

https://youtu.be/rOtxROGI19Y?si=fqVDmgwerSesE1TM

[altiplano]

Just because it's a public forum doesn't mean you need Karen up and wade into every discussion and espouse on every thing you're not a party too. Sure, offer a an opinion, a different perspective, CONTRIBUTE, but your semantic rabble just drones on and on...

[Aerkavo]

Just because it's a public forum doesn't mean you need Karen up and wade into every discussion and espouse on every thing you're not a party too. Sure, offer a an opinion, a different perspective, CONTRIBUTE, but your semantic rabble just drones on and on...

Are you actually complaining about someone posting too much on a public internet forum?

If you find his posts, or anyone else's, tiresome use the forum tool to block them. Or, you could just - not read them. There's no rule, expectation or standard about how much anyone can or should post.

[cdnavater]

Just because it's a public forum doesn't mean you need Karen up and wade into every discussion and espouse on every thing you're not a party too. Sure, offer a an opinion, a different perspective, CONTRIBUTE, but your semantic rabble just drones on and on...

Go back and read my first post on this and tell me, what was not me offering an opinion on the situation that was brought up and by the way, you didn’t come across as smart as you think you did; maybe you meant to call me a pedantic rabble-rouser, that would have made more sense, perhaps you should use a dictionary when posting.
Rabble-rouser: a person who says, writes, or does things that make crowds of people excited or angry, usually intentionally in order to make them act in a particular way
Semantics:
Syntax describes the rules by which words can be combined into sentences, while semantics describes what they mean.
rabble:
a large, noisy, uncontrolled group of people:

[altiplano]

You illustrate my point perfectly.

Semantic bullshit. As hominem attacks. You contribute absolutely nothing.

[redbusdriver]

You illustrate my point perfectly.

Semantic bullshit. As hominem attacks. You contribute absolutely nothing.

Doesn't look like you do either

[piperdriver]

You illustrate my point perfectly.

Semantic bullshit. As hominem attacks. You contribute absolutely nothing.

Doesn't look like you do either

Everyone please get along. Please refrain from personal attacks and direct your negative comments towards the real villain the APLA union. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in 2025.

[Jean-Pierre]

The company isn't even following the meager QOL "gains" that you did get.

[Daniel Cooper]

The company isn't even following the meager QOL "gains" that you did get.

Why would they. We just showed them we're massive pussies.

[Hysteria]

You illustrate my point perfectly.

Semantic bullshit. As hominem attacks. You contribute absolutely nothing.

Doesn't look like you do either

Alti usually contributes and has answered questions I’ve had over the years, which is actually somewhat helpful in the strategizing of one’s career.

[pelmet]

There are calls to serve that come out anytime an elected position opens up.

Or they are often asking for help during membership events, vacation bids, LMMs, etc.

Or for committee work, I think there are often vacancies that are published.

Or you could contact a status rep and find out how you could get involved.

One need only look at this forum to see what I learned long ago. Avoid being a union rep as you will be insulted and badmouthed relentlessly behind your back(or on-line now) by fellow employees with unrealistic expectations on how much they should be getting from the company. I witnessed it in my first union and witnessed it again in my second union.

I still remember some of the quotes: "He's a POS', "He has his head up ...........", "He should be hung from the nearest yardarm".

Social media has just allowed the true feelings of people, under their fake veneer, to be revealed to a greater extent.

The AC forum was gushing over their MEC chair during the negotiations and then reverted to massive insults. Why would someone want to put themselves in that position, when they can just join the crowd and grumble on the job in order to burnish themselves to their co-workers.

People just don’t understand the whole negotiation process, you have(must) set expectations high, you have(must) rally the troops, disappointment is inevitable unless you are a realist and have a shred of common sense that you will not get everything you are asking for. There is a near zero chance of that, yet people who clearly have trust issues and no common sense are the ones who are still beeking off about how much they could have had, they point to Canada post as their shining example, yet after a month of a strike and lost income(saved Canada post millions) they reduced their wage demand and still ended up forced back.
The leverage was used, AC gave more than they ever have, top Captains making 430k plus and yet, still not enough.
A union volunteer position is a very thankless job with many more hours not “paid” than what they might benefit from. I thought about running for a rep position long ago and realized, it’s not worth it and the reality is I would have been in hot water no doubt, I’m not afraid to tell someone that they’re an idiot when it’s called for and I would have.
Thankfully I don’t have to sit beside these guys at AC, HR would have me on speed dial!

ALPA leadership are the ones causing disunity. They went from World Class Contract/Strike Ready/no pennies left on the table, to a complete 180 of vote this crappy TA in or we leave you hanging.

The truth is AC management played the negots expertly and these duds in the MEC are a bunch of all bark, no bite losers.

She just put out a Christmas/year end video that is nauseating and repulsive. First time she's addressed the pilot group since Oct. Hard to believe we were actually duped by this cringey person who has all the charisma of a wet diaper.

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Like I said, why would I want to spend some of my valuable time trying to do something for a group of people like this. And it is not an isolated case.

[Bede]

The truth is AC management played the negots expertly and these duds in the MEC are a bunch of all bark, no bite losers.

She just put out a Christmas/year end video that is nauseating and repulsive. First time she's addressed the pilot group since Oct. Hard to believe we were actually duped by this cringey person who has all the charisma of a wet diaper.

Like I said, why would I want to spend some of my valuable time trying to do something for a group of people like this. And it is not an isolated case.

Exactly. The MEC chair has 2 major accomplishments: merging ACPA into ALPA and securing a CA, that, admittedly is not perfect, but is a 41% increase above the last CA. For that, this clown insults her "charisma". Who cares about charisma.

[FNGYYZ]

The truth is AC management played the negots expertly and these duds in the MEC are a bunch of all bark, no bite losers.

She just put out a Christmas/year end video that is nauseating and repulsive. First time she's addressed the pilot group since Oct. Hard to believe we were actually duped by this cringey person who has all the charisma of a wet diaper.

Like I said, why would I want to spend some of my valuable time trying to do something for a group of people like this. And it is not an isolated case.

Exactly. The MEC chair has 2 major accomplishments: merging ACPA into ALPA and securing a CA, that, admittedly is not perfect, but is a 41% increase above the last CA. For that, this clown insults her "charisma". Who cares about charisma.

This MEC Chair negotiated a subpar contract and joined ALPA like...literally every other airline.

Bede...yawn...you're such a shill

[Aerkavo]

Exactly. The MEC chair has 2 major accomplishments: merging ACPA into ALPA and securing a CA, that, admittedly is not perfect, but is a 41% increase above the last CA. For that, this clown insults her "charisma". Who cares about charisma.

Managing the transition to ALPA is a significant achievement and makes her worthy of great respect. No matter what one thinks of ALPA and CH it's a dead certainty that to do it under ACPA would have been worse. Much worse.

[Airbusses]

The MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating.

[Bede]

Like I said, why would I want to spend some of my valuable time trying to do something for a group of people like this. And it is not an isolated case.

Exactly. The MEC chair has 2 major accomplishments: merging ACPA into ALPA and securing a CA, that, admittedly is not perfect, but is a 41% increase above the last CA. For that, this clown insults her "charisma". Who cares about charisma.

This MEC Chair negotiated a subpar contract and joined ALPA like...literally every other airline.

Bede...yawn...you're such a shill

Forgive me for supporting YOUR union. We’d be much better off each fighting our own battles individually or listening to the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members.

[Aerkavo]

Forgive me for supporting YOUR union. We’d be much better off each fighting our own battles individually or listening to the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members.

To be fair - the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members are usually the loudest. Especially on an anonymous forum where there's no social cost to being an opinionated moron.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Like I said, why would I want to spend some of my valuable time trying to do something for a group of people like this. And it is not an isolated case.

Exactly. The MEC chair has 2 major accomplishments: merging ACPA into ALPA and securing a CA, that, admittedly is not perfect, but is a 41% increase above the last CA. For that, this clown insults her "charisma". Who cares about charisma.

This MEC Chair negotiated a subpar contract and joined ALPA like...literally every other airline.

Bede...yawn...you're such a shill

i have friends that work for the post office, and they're very divided about their work actions. what our MEC was able to archieve was a 98% strike vote with everyone ready to go, and by joining all other airlines, we had an unlimited strike funds. I'd say we got a pretty good deal. Ask around what everyone's negociation was able to archieve, i'll bet my next paycheck noone is close to 41%.

[8895]

Exactly. The MEC chair has 2 major accomplishments: merging ACPA into ALPA and securing a CA, that, admittedly is not perfect, but is a 41% increase above the last CA. For that, this clown insults her "charisma". Who cares about charisma.

This MEC Chair negotiated a subpar contract and joined ALPA like...literally every other airline.

Bede...yawn...you're such a shill

i have friends that work for the post office, and they're very divided about their work actions. what our MEC was able to archieve was a 98% strike vote with everyone ready to go, and by joining all other airlines, we had an unlimited strike funds. I'd say we got a pretty good deal. Ask around what everyone's negociation was able to archieve, i'll bet my next paycheck noone is close to 41%.

I’d bet my next paycheque that whoever you’re comparing to isn’t coming out of a horribly outdated contract. 41% is a useless stat in that comparison.

[FNGYYZ]

The MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating.

To be fair - the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members are usually the loudest. Especially on an anonymous forum where there's no social cost to being an opinionated moron.

Exactly Aerkavo...this F'n idiot thinks the MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating...she is absolutely considered to be on the negotiating committee

Disengaged pilots need to look at the metrics...other airline contracts and realize how much trash this turd is

Enjoy your bonus in the spring.. the FAs and every other pilot group are laughing at you.

[Man_in_the_sky]

The MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating.

To be fair - the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members are usually the loudest. Especially on an anonymous forum where there's no social cost to being an opinionated moron.

Exactly Aerkavo...this F'n idiot thinks the MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating...she is absolutely considered to be on the negotiating committee

Disengaged pilots need to look at the metrics...other airline contracts and realize how much trash this turd is

Enjoy your bonus in the spring.. the FAs and every other pilot group are laughing at you.

100% of your 54 post are on the Air Canada forum FNGYYZ, when did you get your pfo letter ?

[Airbusses]

The MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating.

To be fair - the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members are usually the loudest. Especially on an anonymous forum where there's no social cost to being an opinionated moron.

Exactly Aerkavo...this F'n idiot thinks the MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating...she is absolutely considered to be on the negotiating committee

Disengaged pilots need to look at the metrics...other airline contracts and realize how much trash this turd is

Enjoy your bonus in the spring.. the FAs and every other pilot group are laughing at you.

Another big brave Internet warrior. I really hope I get you in my FD. Something tells me you won't reveal your identity. Strange.

[30westpirate]

The MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating.

To be fair - the dumbest, least informed and least engaged members are usually the loudest. Especially on an anonymous forum where there's no social cost to being an opinionated moron.

Exactly Aerkavo...this F'n idiot thinks the MEC Chair doesn't do the negotiating...she is absolutely considered to be on the negotiating committee

Disengaged pilots need to look at the metrics...other airline contracts and realize how much trash this turd is

Enjoy your bonus in the spring.. the FAs and every other pilot group are laughing at you.

You don’t like this ‘turd’ of a contract, plenty of other options in this country. No one is forcing you to stay at AC, try somewhere else, you’re probably going to take a pay cut.