Canjet pilots and a Union??

double-j · Post by **double-j** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:06 pm

I keep hearing a rumour that Canjet Pilots are pursuing a Union. How true is this and if so how far along is it.

cheers,

jj

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:18 pm

Try 2 Unions... ALPA for the pilots and CUPE for the FA's. Looks like Kenny gonna get the squeeze

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:19 pm

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:54 am

Were the employee/employer relations that bad they needed representation? While it may be good for the employee in my view it can't help Canjet that much. I know alot of pilots there and I suspect it was out of a lack of respect from the company that they went to Alpa. schedules and general work rules etc. It is too bad in my view, but we have all gone down that road in discussions before. BTW the cupe meetings here with our flt attendands had a poor showing....2 showed up on Saturday and 6 on Sunday...not much support for CUPE.

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:31 pm

B757FO · Post by **B757FO** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:20 pm

737Mech wrote:Were the employee/employer relations that bad they needed representation? Yes

IMP certainly will not just give out money or days off and the Pilots were getting the shaft on the days off part as well as getting about 20% below the bottom of industry standard'

This union won't hurt CanJet in the least, no one would be saying anything if we all saw the loads were crap, but they are very good indeed and the charter contracts are icing on the cake.....so how bout a slice

The FA's just jumped into the ole bandwagon just because the pilots went with ALPA and I don't think they put much thought into the whole thing, I don't know what they think they're entitled to but I hope it's not much because they will find out fast where they stand when company slams the door in there faces.

For a company known publicaly to be for sale or shutdown, I am surprised at the ALPA move. Association maybe but ALPA sends a pretty strong message dont you think? I know its all about resources but I hope this isnt the stone that breaks the ice. It is unfortunate that relations are bad their between the company and its folks. But maybe this is like you say the only way to get them to be resonable. It almost seems to me they are cramming the money in the pockets of those in the top positions or stake holders or IMP etc with no regard for the little guy. Its to bad really. Canjet is a good airline to fly on.

B757FO

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:39 pm

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:48 am

B757FO wrote: For a company known publicaly to be for sale or shutdown...
B757FO

What do you mean by "known publicly"? Could you substantiate that a bit, perhaps a link to a news article or someting similar?

Thanks.

asdfasd · Post by **asdfasd** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:05 pm

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B757FO wrote:

For a company known publicaly to be for sale or shutdown...
B757FO

What do you mean by "known publicly"? Could you substantiate that a bit, perhaps a link to a news article or someting similar?

Thanks.

Dito, I had no idea they were for sale.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:22 pm

This is a rumour I heard, and I make no claims to it's accuracy because it's from a friend of a CanJet employee, who probably talked to a captain, who knew someone in management, etc., etc. Anyways here goes:

A while a go, Rowe approached Beddoe to buy out Canjet for $40M. Beddoe said "How about $10M" Rowe says screw off and starts YYC service a week later.

So the rumour goes.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:24 pm

I could believe it.

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:02 pm

edit.

wally gator · Post by **wally gator** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:04 pm

Looking at the Canjet website, they are advertising for direct entry captains and f/o's as well as flight attendants.

Wingtips · Post by **Wingtips** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:39 pm

What about the ground agents for canjet? any talk of unions for them? I havent seen any documented evidence of a sale of canjet, although, a manager did say during a staff meeting "dont be surprised if mr. rowe sells canjet if he can do it profitably.. he is a business man and its up to you to keep his bussiness a profitable one." some agents i hear were pretty upset about the way this was said....

but if managers are saying things like this do they likely know more than others or simply are they trying to make a point.

jetsgo went under and did they not have full loads until the day they did?
not sure if this is the case or not... anyone know for sure??

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:56 pm

stevewilson · Post by **stevewilson** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:56 pm

Still, for a guy trying to decide between Jazz and Canjet, not the best thing to be hearing! I would actually prefer Canjet for the equipment, routes and upgrade potential (plus living in the East) but not if the doors are going to shut...

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:13 pm

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:19 pm

so, are the new unions 'coming' or 'here'?

nightrunner · Post by **nightrunner** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:33 am

There have been cards signed for both unions (ALPA and CUPE) by the pilots and FA's. Pilots were over 90% in favour and the union should be certified as a bargaining agent by the Labour Board in the near future. I believe the FA's are at the same stage.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:23 pm

stevewilson,

I heard from a friend that there are FO's and captains at CanJet trying to get on with Jazz. Perhaps that helps your decision. Based on history, Jazz will probably be around much longer than CanJet.

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:38 pm

IFR Pilot · Post by **IFR Pilot** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:52 pm

I have to agree with 737Mech... I can tell you at Canjet, no conversations include discussions about applications with Jazz, especially since the peak of hiring there is over... I know many pilots that chose CJ over Jazz back in the fall... And Canjet Captains applying there? Hmmm... Don't get me wrong, Jazz would be an excellent place to be, but seniority there is everything and the good spots are taken for now...

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:15 am

737Mech,

I am sorry to offend you, but can please consider the history of aviation in Canada. It is good that you are defensive about CJ though; it makes for a motivated workforce (perhaps you could do a seminar to the AC Ground guys

) Very few scheduled airlines actually survive long term. WJ, AC, and Jazz are the only ones (AT & Skyservice are charter) that have lastde more than 10 years. If one gets in to CJ at 30, I can hardly see the company staying 30 years - long enough to retire from. At that point, you start from scratch again.

Obviously no one talks about leaving. I'm sure Jazz pilots weren't talking about going to WJ a few years back.

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:36 am

Consider, people take work for various reasons. The pilot at Canjet is flying an aircrat that is in a totally different league than either the CRJ or Dash 8. With the right amount of time, a pilot joining as an FO at CJ will likely get to the left seat sooner than say Jazz, and at the end of the day when it comes down to covering all bases in the international domain, time on the 737 carries a lot more weight.

As far as job security is concerned, we are kidding ourselves to think that employment with WJ, AC or Jazz for that matter can safely take us to retirment (I agree they are the best choices) As I am sure you are aware, the aviation landscape of today will not be the same tomorrow.

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:47 am

Hi Bede,

I would argue no airline is safe in this country big or small for stable employment. Yes some may last longer but lifestyle is a big plus these days. If somebody wants to live back down east CJ is the spot to be.

The job of a pilot is like a nomad just pick up and move - job secuirty does not exist.