ALPA and Canjet

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:12 pm

Hi CJer's.

Anyone care to shed some light on the highlights of your new contract? Days off, pay, scheduling? Is it a far cry from what you've had previously?

Thanks,

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737daytripper · Post by **737daytripper** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:10 pm

No contract yet. Negotiations will hopefully start once the MEC is in place.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:40 pm

thx tripper.

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studmuffin · Post by **studmuffin** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:21 pm

For what my opinion is worth, after the MEC is official, talks won't get started for about 6 to 8 months, and about 2 years for the first contract, but I could be wrong ( I hope ). We have a great bunch of pilots, lets hope most are willing to stick it out.

Fly safe.

flynbutcher · Post by **flynbutcher** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:23 am

2 years could be a little excessive, But I think 1 year before a contract is negotiated is fairly reasonable.

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:41 am

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/ge ... n/2970438/

What's on the go here fellas?

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:08 pm

first of all, that Florida schedule is pretty similar to last year with the exception of PBI. Florida destinations are operated by CanJet, not chartered with the exception of FLL. Second, those guys saying there we're only 7 people on board on his/her flight doesn't represent what the load factor was for YYC. It's been solid as far as pax numbers go, yield is unknown.
Something is definitely brewing for winter charters and it seems CanJet and Transat haven't worked out the details. Merger? Sounds like a possibilty, but I doubt it. Then again if a merger is in the works, "Who's Up For Round 2?"

ivanhoe · Post by **ivanhoe** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:27 pm

My understanding is that last year WestJet did not have enough airplanes to satisfy Transat's requirements. This year , they do. I have also heard that Transat was less than satisfied with the performance of CanJet's aircraft.

I'd be surprised to see CanJet doing Transat charters this year. This begs the question...what will CJ do to get through a winter with less aircraft utilisation and $70 oil? Could be a long cold winter.

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:04 pm

Westjet has first dibs on any Transat Vacations flying. If Westjet is unable to do the flying the contract is up to any airline that can. Westjet couldn't fulfill the demands out of the East Coast last year because it didn't have a large enough operation to cycle aircraft through on a consistant basis.

EastCoaster · Post by **EastCoaster** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:40 am

My take on the whole situation is that Westjet are now planning to operate their own flights to the southern destinations under their own "westjet vacations / airlines" umbrella. If this is the case, then it could be assumed that Westjet would want out of the Transat deal to do their own thing. Even if Westjet doesn't want out, I'd assume that Transat would no longer be interested in having their flights flown by a competing airline. Keep in mind that these are all assumptions but they can't be too far from the truth. I know for certain that Transat was content with the service provided by CanJet and they plan on continuing this relationship. Although the fall schedules aren't yet reflecting a new charter schedule, I'm sure we'll be seeing one soon. Aren't three or four aircraft going for "C" checks soon anyhow. Until that's all completed, it'd be ill advised to tip their hand at what the plan is. In my experiences, press release season is about a month or so away...

ivanhoe · Post by **ivanhoe** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:50 am

EastCoaster

Your assumptions are logical and in fact I shared them until I went to one of the "big shots" and expressed my concern. If we were to lose the Transat work it would be very painful as we shift our aircraft from summer domestic ops to winter charter ops. We would have way too many airplanes without the Transat flying.

The fact is Transat was consulted and they have no problem with what we are doing as far as our own sked sun destinations. We will be doing increased flying for Transat this winter.

I'm still wondering what KR has up his sleeve. Never far from my mind is the fact it was about this time of year 8 yrs ago that KR announced he had had enough of losing money with Air Atlantic .

eastdude · Post by **eastdude** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:26 pm

EastCoaster wrote:My take on the whole situation is that Westjet are now planning to operate their own flights to the southern destinations under their own "westjet vacations / airlines" umbrella. If this is the case, then it could be assumed that Westjet would want out of the Transat deal to do their own thing. Even if Westjet doesn't want out, I'd assume that Transat would no longer be interested in having their flights flown by a competing airline. Keep in mind that these are all assumptions but they can't be too far from the truth. I know for certain that Transat was content with the service provided by CanJet and they plan on continuing this relationship. Although the fall schedules aren't yet reflecting a new charter schedule, I'm sure we'll be seeing one soon. Aren't three or four aircraft going for "C" checks soon anyhow. Until that's all completed, it'd be ill advised to tip their hand at what the plan is. In my experiences, press release season is about a month or so away...

eastcoaster, i think that Canjet has done "some" good work for Transit but can you really tell me that they are content with Canjet's performance after all the YOW delays last winter as well as the St Marteen's comedy show? It wouldn't be in the best interest of Transit to say anything else, its bad PR, also to quote you why would they tip there hand either way.

Also if you watch hockey just before the coach gets fired the GM expresses full support for the coach. Or to take a page out of the ole KR book of business, " Canjet is not for sale" we know what happened a week after he said that.
Bottom line is management has said thet the Transit flying has kept us afloat in leaner times. With the reduction of the domestic flying if Canjet were to loose this there would be a lot of scrambling to make up the work. It scares me when you say that they are content, I would be happier if they said very happy with Canjet.

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:00 pm

My take on the whole situation is that Westjet are now planning to operate their own flights to the southern destinations under their own "westjet vacations / airlines" umbrella. If this is the case, then it could be assumed that Westjet would want out of the Transat deal to do their own thing. Even if Westjet doesn't want out, I'd assume that Transat would no longer be interested in having their flights flown by a competing airline. Keep in mind that these are all assumptions but they can't be too far from the truth.

You know, I thought the same thing initially.. but I was told that WS won't operate to a sun destination if TS already flies there. If TS doesn't operate to a destination, we can. That's written in the contract. The Transat contract is a huge revenue generator and a major part of why we (with one exception) don't lose money during winter.

ivanhoe · Post by **ivanhoe** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:43 am

Just saw a news flash on ROB that CanJet is cancelling all domestic sked service.

Will continue to operate charters.

EastCoaster · Post by **EastCoaster** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:55 am

Yeah... So word is out now. You guys can't blame me for keeping the faith eh!... I eat,sleep and breathe CanJet, and tried my best. Hope someone is looking to snap up a bunch of the best airline employees in the business! To all that I worked with, for, and around, Thank You for a great experience working with great people.

DM

hypoxic · Post by **hypoxic** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:38 am

The job hunt is on!

ALPA and Canjet

ALPA and Canjet

Contract talks

Here goes...

Re: Here goes...

CanJet Throws in Towel...again

Goodbye