to answer the question: no they don't ask anything in French.
But i think AC should fire anyone who doe snot speak French.
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This way it would be easier. Too many people have access to a pro. career..anybody can be a pilot these days that is a shame...i wonder why we don't get any respect from FAs...and Why they pay us peanuts?????
Any dude with bit of cash can be a pro. pilot....what a Joke.
If i was in charge of hiring it would be university degree+ bilingual minimum...
You guys are lucky..and you bitch all the time...go and get educated.
Some of you should not be pilots...consider yourselves lucky.
Europe is not like that...over there it is brain 1st...not like here.
Any questions in French during the AC Interview?
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Yeah, hard to understand why you don't get any respect from FAs with that attitude. I'm sure your fellow pilots all appreciate the fact that you think no one deserves a license except you.
Look in the mirror...there's your trouble.
Look in the mirror...there's your trouble.
Listen to the pilot with the most grey hair....
see the problem with that is, being a pilot is a skill trade, a degree, or another language doesn't make you a better pilot. A welder doesn't go through all his technical training and then is told "oh you might be a licensed welder but we want you to speak 3 languages and have at least 1 degree" we payed $40-$60K for our licenses and the training to do our jobs why should we have to pay another $40-$60K for a piece of paper that has nothing to do with the job we are going to perform? and as for your comment on brains 1st, I have an IQ of 167, I went to university found it extremely boring and a horrible environment, the fact that it in now way made me a better pilot, in fact even took up the time i should have been using to get my licenses and gain actual flying experience. How does my bachelor in Engineering, or history, or fine arts help me be a better pilot?
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Nightflight
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And while we are at it let's fire those that don't speak Spanish, Italian, Mandarin, Cantonese, Hindi, Arabic, Hebrew,.......because Air Canada is a global player and deals with a multitude of cultures.popo wrote:to answer the question: no they don't ask anything in French.
But i think AC should fire anyone who doe snot speak French.
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This way it would be easier. Too many people have access to a pro. career..anybody can be a pilot these days that is a shame...i wonder why we don't get any respect from FAs...and Why they pay us peanuts?????
Any dude with bit of cash can be a pro. pilot....what a Joke.
If i was in charge of hiring it would be university degree+ bilingual minimum...
You guys are lucky..and you bitch all the time...go and get educated.
Some of you should not be pilots...consider yourselves lucky.
Europe is not like that...over there it is brain 1st...not like here.
I didn't want to justify this with a response, but it's just so ludicrous that I had to say something.
This is what i thought, got some reactions, because you guys are ignorant.
Typical assholes....
I never said , speaking French makes you a better pilot...Anyway.
You guys are lucky..no brain..no education...lots of money from daddy...or a big loan...and still might be an airline pilot someday...
Consider yourself lucky...
Typical assholes....
I never said , speaking French makes you a better pilot...Anyway.
You guys are lucky..no brain..no education...lots of money from daddy...or a big loan...and still might be an airline pilot someday...
Consider yourself lucky...
The French B.S. in this country is over the top.
It's the Language Nazi's that preach; "it's my RIGHT to be spoken to in French." Well, on my Flight Deck the PA's come out in English, and English only.
Even if the other crew members are Francophones.
The "French Echos" (F/A's) can translate all they like.
I can fly in Japan and listen to ALL ATC conversations in English.
...not in Quebec!
It makes the Quebec airspace some of the most dangerous around.
Complete loss of situational awareness!
Just to satisfy the xenophobic Quebecers.
It's the Language Nazi's that preach; "it's my RIGHT to be spoken to in French." Well, on my Flight Deck the PA's come out in English, and English only.
Even if the other crew members are Francophones.
The "French Echos" (F/A's) can translate all they like.
I can fly in Japan and listen to ALL ATC conversations in English.
...not in Quebec!
It makes the Quebec airspace some of the most dangerous around.
Complete loss of situational awareness!
Just to satisfy the xenophobic Quebecers.
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Cat Driver
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And you are a suave well spoken intellectual?This is what i thought, got some reactions, because you guys are ignorant.
Typical assholes....
Tell you what popo, I do not have a very high level of school education and have no idea what my IQ may or may not be.
But how about us getting together and see who is the most accomplished pilot, both flying wise and employable wise?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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The French B.S. in this country is over the top.
It's the Language Nazi's that preach; "it's my RIGHT to be spoken to in French." Well, on my Flight Deck the PA's come out in English, and English only.
Even if the other crew members are Francophones.
The "French Echos" (F/A's) can translate all they like.
I can fly in Japan and listen to ALL ATC conversations in English.
...not in Quebec!
It makes the Quebec airspace some of the most dangerous around.
Complete loss of situational awareness!
Just to satisfy the xenophobic Quebecers.
Hey Johnny,
When I'm sitting next to you, I will do my PA's in BOTH official languages and possibly in spanish going places they speak it. I will talk to the french FA's in french if I so desire. If any issue is safety related I will translate for you.
Unbelievable.
Nice CRM by the way"Well, on my Flight Deck..."
How does speaking to other crew members in a language not understood by all crew members (especially on the flight deck)foster good CRM?Gurundu the Rat wrote:The French B.S. in this country is over the top.
It's the Language Nazi's that preach; "it's my RIGHT to be spoken to in French." Well, on my Flight Deck the PA's come out in English, and English only.
Even if the other crew members are Francophones.
The "French Echos" (F/A's) can translate all they like.
I can fly in Japan and listen to ALL ATC conversations in English.
...not in Quebec!
It makes the Quebec airspace some of the most dangerous around.
Complete loss of situational awareness!
Just to satisfy the xenophobic Quebecers.
Hey Johnny,
When I'm sitting next to you, I will do my PA's in BOTH official languages and possibly in spanish going places they speak it. I will talk to the french FA's in french if I so desire. If any issue is safety related I will translate for you.
Unbelievable.
Nice CRM by the way"Well, on my Flight Deck..."
Furthermore, how does it foster a cohesive working environment?
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Cat Driver
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It does not.How does speaking to other crew members in a language not understood by all crew members (especially on the flight deck)foster good CRM?
It fosters resentment and is counter productive to a good working environment.Furthermore, how does it foster a cohesive working environment?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
If (?) you are sitting next to me, that makes you the F/O.
That being the case, you will speak on the P/A, "when and if" you are invited to.
As for CRM, the language issue is my own personal protest.
It has nothing to do with "real CRM," that pertains to the functional operation of the Aircraft.
That being the case, you will speak on the P/A, "when and if" you are invited to.
As for CRM, the language issue is my own personal protest.
It has nothing to do with "real CRM," that pertains to the functional operation of the Aircraft.
Just curious as to what you disapprove of Dark Helmet?
Paraphrasing the thread, Gurundu more or less stated "I will do what I please" on the flight. J767, states "whoaa hold up there. I am the Captain and you will do as I please, not what you please."
Following the command chain, who is further from appropriate CRM?
I know it is a long way off the topic of the thread but am interested in your input. Not as an argument, just a discussion.
Paraphrasing the thread, Gurundu more or less stated "I will do what I please" on the flight. J767, states "whoaa hold up there. I am the Captain and you will do as I please, not what you please."
Following the command chain, who is further from appropriate CRM?
I know it is a long way off the topic of the thread but am interested in your input. Not as an argument, just a discussion.
Spin it how you like.
It has nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with fact. The PA's from the Flight Deck are the purview of the Captain.
Whether he / she determines to have the F/O or R/P do ALL the PA's, that is their decision.
Unless you left the Flying School yesterday, this isn't news.
It has nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with fact. The PA's from the Flight Deck are the purview of the Captain.
Whether he / she determines to have the F/O or R/P do ALL the PA's, that is their decision.
Unless you left the Flying School yesterday, this isn't news.
Well said, Johnny.
Nothing irks me more than a First Officer that reaches over, grabs the handset and starts making a PA without asking me first. I also hate it when they arbitrarily reach up and turn the seat belt sign on without asking.
Last week the flight attendant came up with our crew meals. It was the usual selection...salmon or beef. I don't usually care what I eat, so normally give the First Officer his choice. However, before I could offer, he said to me, "Your leg, your choice". I politely reminded him that as I am the Captain, it is always my choice.
When I was a First Officer, a crusty old Captain once said to me ..."Raven, when you start to irritate the Captain, it's time to do your left seat upgrade". I've passed that comment on to a few F/Os.
Having said all of the above, I have been blessed to fly with some pretty incredible First Officers that have kept me out of trouble. I like to think that at the end of the flight I have expressed my appreciation for a job well done.
Nothing irks me more than a First Officer that reaches over, grabs the handset and starts making a PA without asking me first. I also hate it when they arbitrarily reach up and turn the seat belt sign on without asking.
Last week the flight attendant came up with our crew meals. It was the usual selection...salmon or beef. I don't usually care what I eat, so normally give the First Officer his choice. However, before I could offer, he said to me, "Your leg, your choice". I politely reminded him that as I am the Captain, it is always my choice.
When I was a First Officer, a crusty old Captain once said to me ..."Raven, when you start to irritate the Captain, it's time to do your left seat upgrade". I've passed that comment on to a few F/Os.
Having said all of the above, I have been blessed to fly with some pretty incredible First Officers that have kept me out of trouble. I like to think that at the end of the flight I have expressed my appreciation for a job well done.
I didn't realize how many "I'm the boss" Captains there are out there. I'm an F/O right now, I automatically do PA's at the appropriate time and it seems to be appreciated.
The captains I've flown with usually offer first choice of crew meals to me, I rarely choose because I rarely care.
The way some of you guys describe the way you run things doesn't seem like a relaxed fun flight deck to me.
Do you draw a line down the middle of the cockpit and say "the switches on the left are mine, the ones on the right are mine too, but I'll let you touch those ones occasionaly"
The captains I've flown with usually offer first choice of crew meals to me, I rarely choose because I rarely care.
The way some of you guys describe the way you run things doesn't seem like a relaxed fun flight deck to me.
Do you draw a line down the middle of the cockpit and say "the switches on the left are mine, the ones on the right are mine too, but I'll let you touch those ones occasionaly"
