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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... y/Business


He estimates that 118 of 133 planes under the Jazz banner could be removed from service and 37 Air Canada jets could also be cut from active duty.
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Kavafian has had a hard on for the demise of AC from a long time ago. Look back and see his reputation, he has been anti AC for a long time. Wouldn't put too much faith in his rethoric.
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Yeah he probably beats his wife too!
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You cant trust Armenians :twisted:
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Here's a more positive one for Jazz.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30033166

(even mentions our new Embraers)
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This guy's an idiot, even ccaa couldn't allow the parking of that many jazz aircraft. AC would have to close the doors in order for this to happen.

This is from a CIBC world markets report, the whole report is in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=52420
Jazz (JAZ.UN-SO) provides regional services for Air Canada. In a CCAA filing, the
key document governing the two companies’ relationship, the Capacity Purchase
Agreement (CPA), is subject to opening and negotiation. However, we believe a
bankruptcy court would have to find the contract well offside in terms of market
rates for operations and we believe Jazz provides service to Air Canada at rates
comparable to any of the U.S. regionals and typically exceeds them.
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Kafavian needs to be sued. For years he's had a hate for the AC family and makes no qualms about it. His solutions have always been to shrink AC to its bare bones in order to let the competition grow. he feels this is the right thing to do. Gee, you think he has an agenda? The problem is he is free to speak his mind. I am certain an investigation would reveal this guy is trying to make money by pushing the winning team at the expense of the losing team. His solutions are not viable to AC. It's disgusting. Either that or his ex wife is an AC employee. But honestly I think it's just money. he sees an opportunity.
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Agreed, he was spouting off the same drivel 6 yrs ago too!!
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only his drivel cost your stock to tank. He should be sued.
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You don't need to hope he's wrong - analysts are always wrong.
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KAG wrote:only his drivel cost your stock to tank. He should be sued.
No KAG. Not saying he is solely responsible but he does add a major amount of fuel to the fire. We're not just talking stocks here. I'm thinking more about customers making long term travel plans. Who do you think will benefit from his stupid comments. Yep, you got it, now wipe that smirk off your face!
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Tony, I was being serious. No smirk here. In case you haven't noticed, our stock is taking a shit kicking to.
Not only does my Fiance work for Jazz, but so do alot of good friends, Not to mention at Mainline.
You'd be truely supprised how many comments have been made around WJ flight decks about how bad we truely feel for you guys and the situation your in. Something tells me the sentiment would not be shared if our situations were reversed.
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KAG, that's probably true, but only because everyone has a hate-on for the guy who's doing well. It's just human nature.

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KAG. I understand.
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tonysoprano wrote:...The problem is he is free to speak his mind....
Now that is an interesting comment! Are you advocating censorship Tony?
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Not at all. Just saying he doesn't seem to have anything constructive to offer. Just seems to try too hard at giving people the wrong information. And he's free to do it without being held accountable. Of course to you, this guy makes a lot of sense.
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I think you're way off base with this one Tony. It's not the job of an analyst to add constructive commentary. It's their job to offer their opinion on a stock/company/sector, good or bad, like it or not. If you don't mind, please show us where he is wrong to the point of exposing himself to possible legal ramifications.

How would you propose he be held accountable for his opinion?
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I think you're way off base with this one Tony. It's not the job of an analyst to add constructive commentary. It's their job to offer their opinion on a stock/company/sector, good or bad, like it or not. If you don't mind, please show us where he is wrong to the point of exposing himself to possible legal ramifications.

How would you propose he be held accountable for his opinion?
I think you're way off base with this one Tony. It's not the job of an analyst to add constructive commentary. It's their job to offer their opinion on a stock/company/sector, good or bad, like it or not. If you don't mind, please show us where he is wrong to the point of exposing himself to possible legal ramifications.

How would you propose he be held accountable for his opinion?
Well for an airline analyst who I am sure knows the workings of the CPA between Air Canada and Jazz, to spout off that 118 of 133 planes need to be parked, and knowing that there is no way Air Canada can make that happen in this particular contract?! .. he's no better than Jim Cramer telling everyone to buy shitty stocks that he knows are going to tank. He's intentionally leading people to make up there own opinion based on bad information. There is a difference between a guy offering his opinion and a guy calling himself an "airline analyst" and offering his "professional" opinion. He is basically trying to manipulate the stock ..

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Well said Loc. He's trying to blow smoke.
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BigB.
BigB wrote:I think you're way off base with this one Tony. It's not the job of an analyst to add constructive commentary. It's their job to offer their opinion on a stock/company/sector, good or bad, like it or not. If you don't mind, please show us where he is wrong to the point of exposing himself to possible legal ramifications.
I didn't know there was such a huge difference between "constructive commentary" and "opinion". Some advisers are also saying some not so positive things and some are being more positive. This guy is being an extremist. I think as an expert you can offer constructive commentary as an opinion when it's realistic and makes sense. But, WTF??? First of all he's offering an opinion that is unrealistic. He's trying to make the investor believe that in order to survive, this company has to reduce itself to less than a third what it is now. Hello?? Second of all, this guy has given stupid, unrealistic opinions many times in the past re AC/Jazz, he has a history. Third of all, tell me, one thread on your WJ forum deals with how a certain B.Jang of the Post is soooo unfair to WJ. Apparently he didn't know what he was talking about. Well, thank God Jang doesn't advise investors, I guess.

How would you propose he be held accountable for his opinion?
Well, that's where your side wins. He cannot be shut down. Guys like him are "experts" in their fields. AND they are protected. One article I read, he states that AC/Jazz going away will not be that bad because there are companies in Canada right now that could take over and do the flying and all the employees would be absorbed into these other companies. He gave the example where Bearskin could easily take over for Jazz!!! I guess this isn't so far fetched, right? Gimme a f'kn break. That's pretty good opinion and advise don't you think ? The only thing he has to be afraid of is his own stupidity and someday he WILL be proven wrong. He's taking a huge gamble. Hopefully people can see through him and get other opinions. Give him enough rope and he will hang himself. Many pilots are already making wages that are less than city bus drivers. We don't need idiots like him. You don't either, believe me. But I just know that his words are music to your ears for obvious reasons, for now.
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Tony,

I think you're taking things a bit too personally here. If you don't like what he says, don't listen. But for you to advocate that an analyst not give negative commentary is a stretch. It goes both ways, and always will, unless you're suggesting artificial manipulation of the free market. Obviously his employer (and a few major news outlets) takes credence in his opinion.

BTW, what's with the personal jabs? :shock:
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I think you're taking things a bit too personally here. If you don't like what he says, don't listen.
You're not getting this are you? This isn't about me or anyone as an individual although it could have negative effects on all of us as individuals. This is about someone completely out of touch with reality who has the power to sway people a certain way with unrealistic views about a company because he is an "expert". I and many of us pilots know better but he still has the power to reach out to many people who don't know better and rely on his advice.
don't listen.
I'd love to but I'm not deaf.
It goes both ways, and always will, unless you're suggesting artificial manipulation of the free market. Obviously his employer (and a few major news outlets) takes credence in his opinion.
Manipulation of the market is easy when you have the power to do it. He has. His employer might be backing him up because they like his agenda. This guy sounds like he's on a mission with or without his employer. As for the news outlets, they love a doom and gloom story. Tell me, of all the other experts we've heard from, why is his advice or opinion so different from the rest? Look, he has a right to express an opinion just like you and I but you and I don't charge people for ours and we also don't have the power of the media like him. Investors, customers and employees deserve better than what he's selling. He's selling BS.
BTW, what's with the personal jabs? :shock:
Tony,
Paste one.
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Ummm, like this one?
tonysoprano wrote:Of course to you, this guy makes a lot of sense.
To me working at the other shop, this does most certainly look like a jab. Just because we fly for a different tail does not mean we are elated at any poor press.

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Just because we fly for a different tail does not mean we are elated at any poor press.
You better tell that to you colleague, not me. That's it? Anything else?
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Yeah, you're a closet Westjet lover. Forenghis in disguise, the worst kind of all!!!!!!!!!!!!
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