DHC-2 Training

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:59 am

Apparently AirHart in Kelowna has a DHC-2 for training for the next month...it's 500$ an hour. If you can afford 20 - 50 hours, you would have a great chance at getting a job at most operators.

....But, if you can afford 50 hours, you already have a great job...

cheers

C-FOXY · Post by **C-FOXY** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:03 pm

GO FOR IT!!!

I have a personal interest as it is my father's aircraft.

If you need any info PM me. I think it will be there longer than just a month...until the ice goes off the lakes in Saskatchewan then it's busy for the summer.

neechi · Post by **neechi** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:56 pm

That’s funny. What will they think of next to rob rich kids of their parents money?

I don’t think it will get anyone a job that has less than 500-1000 hours of float pic and with that much time you could probably get someone to pay you to fly a DH2 rather than other way around. It would be a good experience for a low timer to get but let’s be realistic about the job prospects afterwards.

water wings wrote:Apparently AirHart in Kelowna has a DHC-2 for training for the next month...it's 500$ an hour. If you can afford 20 - 50 hours, you would have a great chance at getting a job at most operators.

....But, if you can afford 50 hours, you already have a great job...

cheers

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:33 pm

re-f-ing-lax.!!
If my buddy had 50 Beaver hours on top of his 500 hours 185 time, then he would have had a job on a Beaver. 3 outfitters told him so.
didn't get the jobs because of insurance.
I posted that for information.
for pilots like him.
in case someone cared.
and needed DHC-2 time.
to get a job.
to succeed.
sheesh.

neechi · Post by **neechi** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:38 pm

Love Airhart.

Love the Beaver.

Hate it when people skate over others with $$$ to get a job(25 grand for 50 hours on DH2) when they dont really have too. And they DONT have too.

Sorry to get you rilled WW.

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:08 pm

bah...i'm not rilled...i'm drunk.
so...wanna buy a PPC?
no seriously, if i could have done my 50 float in a Beaver...i'dabeen there in a heart beat. Alas, i did not.
i need a drink.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:22 pm

Anyone with 500 hours on a 185 would only need about one hour on a Beaver for a check out.

There just ain't nothing on earth on floats as easy to fly as a Beaver.

Cat

neechi · Post by **neechi** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:52 pm

Everyone seems to realize this except the PPL who insure them.

Cat Driver wrote:Anyone with 500 hours on a 185 would only need about one hour on a Beaver for a check out.

There just ain't nothing on earth on floats as easy to fly as a Beaver.

Cat

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:04 pm

that's exactly what it came down to was insurance. ...

...
It was the liabilty of six American families in the bBeaver sueing over 3 American families in a 185 should one have an incident...
One of the operator's insurance co.s was asking for 50hrs on type...hence 25G is a bit ridiculous to invest for a job that won't get that money back for ya...even though the 185 is way more likely to bite you in the ass. go figure...
i need another drink.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:09 am

Cat, old buddy, the only other example that comes to mind that's as easy to fly is the Twin Otter... And it's a lot easier to dock!!!

lot41 · Post by **lot41** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:10 am

Buying 50h on the Beaver, waist of money. If you have 500h PIC on 185 ,it is easy to find a Beaver job.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:40 am

Yeh, I had forgotten how easy the Twin Otter is to fly, I wonder what the insurance requirements are for the TO?

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:15 pm

Stupid as it seems, the insurance requirements go up with the size of the airplane.. Even though, we all know that they get easier to fly as they get bigger... Compare a 172 on floats at gross to a -6... A no brainer.. The 172 is harder to fly.. When I hear of all these people breaking into the industry and having to get lot's of time on the 180 so they can upgrade to a beaver, I just laugh.. For me, I'll fly the beaver or the twin otter but that's just cause I'm lazy and need the easy ones to fly..

ps.. If anyone want's 50 hours in a beaver and can pay for it, let me know and we'll do it!!!

zero · Post by **zero** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:29 pm

Hey twotter, where's nine-mile point...been meaning to ask you since a trip up to Chatterbox Falls a couple of weeks ago and you guys kept talking about this obscure(to me) call point. I assumed it to be somewhere between the town and Salmon Inlet...enlighten me so you won't have to hassle me again.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:10 am

It's right at the mouth of Salmon inlet, 9 miles from the head of Sechelt Inlet.. So that's you in the mighty Cessna??

zero · Post by **zero** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:14 pm

Yep, that was me. A great trip to the Falls and Malibu...watch out for Helifor. Thanks for the info.

Steve.

Boss Hawg · Post by **Boss Hawg** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:43 pm

Used to work on a tour boat out of Egmont doing trips up Jervis to Princess louisa, with a stop at Malibu on the way out. Great job and gorgeous country up there. We used to have the odd Beaver buzz by us or pull into the dock at Malibu when we were there, I think that's when I really started getting interested in airplanes. You guys are lucky to be able to do your flying there, although the weather in the winter is pretty nasty. Do enjoy. Now that I'm back in Ontario I'm very jealous!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:19 pm

Yeh, it is really something for scenery in that area.

I damn near killed myself once in a Twin Otter on floats when I lost visual contact in glassy water and low ceiling that turned into fog in an instant going through Narrows inlet...close, real close lucky I was real low and managed a glassy water landing without hitting anything. And reverse really stops the thing once you are on the water...great little toy that Twin Otter.

Cat

Boss Hawg · Post by **Boss Hawg** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:40 pm

Maybe my job on the water wasn't so bad considering the perils of flying in that weather and that terrain. Doing 12 knots on the water is kind of cushy compared to 100 kts in 1/2 mile vis and a couple hundred foot ceiling. Some of those clouds have got hard centers too. Although I did manage to nail a deadhead coming back through Jervis one afternoon, into the sun and waves and didn't see it until the very last second. I cracked the prop on the boat but at least the damn thing didn't sink. Guess the boats have got their own set of associated hazards.

UC-64A · Post by **UC-64A** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:34 am

Over the years flying floats I've always believed that hard work will be rewarded with good companies with some time on bigger and better.
Keep in mind that you should work for your name, and your name will find the companies through word of mouth !!
Beaver time was the best time and the most enjoyable !!
Keep looking there are jobs out there just look a little harder.......

zero · Post by **zero** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:37 pm

Sounds familiar Cat, the water was as glassy as it gets and ended up thumping down on it...oops. I think that ferry still does weekly runs up Jervis, Boss, often see it at Egmont or en route up the inlet. Man you should see the work they're doing at Malibu...what a spot. They just built a huge gymnasium out of cedar and are now constructing a 2500 sq ft ice cream parlour for the camp kids, never mind the new zip line and the golf course. The next project is a hydro-electric dam and generator on the OTHER side of the inlet and they're going to run the power cable underwater, jeeze. Gotta be money in religion, eh.

Hey, while you guys are on here...who knows the way to Phantom Lake?? Probably frozen over this time of the year but would be good to know and visit sometime. What altitude can I expect???

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:48 pm

Phantom lake is easy to find, just follow the valley from Clahome and turn left into the lake, I think it is about 3 thousand feet but its been about five years or more since i was in there.

Definately a beautiful place to land and look at the mountains...and yes it will still be frozen.

Cat

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:27 pm

i know you veered off topic,and i'm sorry i don't know where that lake is, but back to the idea that 500 hours on a C-185 can pretty much get you a Beaver job ...i told my buddy this, and he promptly pointed out 3 of the float job postings on AvCanada...500 on DHC-2 and 1000 total float are the mins. He and i are both SOL so far this season. The job i had my "guaranteed return" has also upped their DHC-2 minimums to 1000 TT and 500 on type and have sold the 185...3 other lodges i applied for also have the same minimums. I actually got hired, then unhired due to insurance...They felt so bad about that they forwarded my CV to 5 other places and offered to buy me lunch (!)
just an FYI...insurance has changed their minimums and last year's handshakes and "should be able to get insured" are not holding up.
good luck to all, wish me luck, too.

lot41...if it is easy to get a Beaver job with 185 on floats, please PM me or post the info ...Thanks...i know it should be easy, but it isn't anymore.
just have to try harder, and i will.
fly safe.

neechi · Post by **neechi** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:08 pm

Insurance rules are not set in stone. The #'s these guys ask for are for the cheapest possible rates. When april comes and they dont have a driver yet they will start looking harder at you guys.

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:09 am

sure hope so....i'd hate to have to go back to my old job and make good cash again (i just got used to rationning again)
a couple of the positions i called for were filled by recently laid off pilots of folded companies....turns out those pilots had to pull out the "float card" that i bet they never thought they would have to use again after years of being on twins and turbines...oh well, good on them, bad for others.
I'll keep at it, i'll get something, i'm sure, just getting angry with the insurance BS.
fly safe

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