FO's loging PIC time?

[Caballero]

Seems you'll get a different answer from every different Transport Canada inspector. The answer I got was that an ATPL is required to act as captain in a 'Commercial Air Service'. If the aircraft is operated under 703,704 etc this is a requirement, end of story. Pilot in command under supervision is available if your company is approved for hours logged towards the PIC requirement but those hours will only be credited as half towards the total time required for the ATPL (100 hour maximum). If the aircraft is operated say 604, it is not a 'Commercial Air service' thus not requiring an ATPL to act as captain. So if your company, insurance, other captains and everyone says okay, then can act and log as PIC towards an ATPL (one to one credit).

ICAO changed the requirement over two years ago that all time will be credited one to one towards an ATPL given that the aircraft is a true '2 crew aircraft'. Transport Canada being an ICAO country is apparently supposed to follow ICAO's standards but have had 'paperwork issues' in achieving this. Apparently it would require the entire air regs to be re-written or whatnot, the topic has been brought up at several CARAC meetings.

Thats what I have been told from TC in Ottawa, which again has came as different answers from different regions.

[altiplano]

an ATPL is required to act as captain in a 'Commercial Air Service'. If the aircraft is operated under 703,704 etc this is a requirement, end of story.

It depends on which aircraft you are a captain of or something that may be in a particular company's COM. It is not always a requirement.

[BTD]

Altiplano is correct. Here is the ref.

401.30(1) Subject to subsection (3), the holder of a commercial pilot licence — aeroplane may, by day or night,
(amended 2005/12/01; previous version)

(c) while engaged in providing a commercial air service by means of an aeroplane of a class and type in respect of which the licence is endorsed with ratings, act as

(i) pilot-in-command of the aeroplane, if the minimum flight crew document for the aeroplane specifies a minimum flight crew of one pilot, or
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(ii) co-pilot of the aeroplane;
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

401.34(1) Subject to subsection (2), the holder of an airline transport pilot licence - aeroplane may exercise the privileges of a private pilot licence - aeroplane and a commercial pilot licence - aeroplane.
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(2) The holder of an airline transport pilot licence-aeroplane endorsed with a Group 1 instrument rating may, while engaged in providing a commercial air service by means of an aeroplane of a class and type in respect of which the licence is endorsed with a rating, act as
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(a) pilot-in-command of the aeroplane, if the minimum flight crew document for that aeroplane specifies a minimum flight crew of two pilots; or
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(b) co-pilot of the aeroplane.
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

[Caballero]

Sorry, youre totally correct I didnt write that part out properly thanks for backing it up. of course thats for an ATPL required aircraft, end of story. Hahh.

[LeftseatFO]

So in the eyes of transport one could log over 500 hours of PIC time only flying with training Captains.

[4hrstovegas]

Only if company and pilot are approved; you actually perform PIC duties; a note is put in the remarks section of your logbook. You can't simply log the PIC if you're flying wtih a training captain because you feel like it, which I think is the point being made.