Canjet losing Transat flying?

[hogster330]

Mr. Eustache denied the model was broken, and said the company was already developing a plan to bounce back next winter. Although he declined to give any details of that plan for strategic reasons, he said

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/business ... z0hyfyFUxg



Like I said a few weeks ago "here come the 737-800's finally !"

[bigskyjoc]

Looks like Westjet isn't "spurring" new traffic but instead eating into the livelihood of many eastern airline employees. So now they tempt agents with huge commissions, take away traffic, run the others into the red...hmmmmm sounds familiar doesn't it?

[CJ6]

Hogster330...

Not trying to stir the pot, just asking for my own insight. But how, out of that article, do you get 737-800? With the 5yr contract (which I know can be broken) with CanJet, Transat won't be able to do it cheaper than what CanJet is doing it for, at least not in my opinion. And this "new plan" for next winter, if it did involve 737-800's it would have needed to start yesterday to get the planes, and the pilots online. Plus you guys would have to go through neg. with the company on pay etc., which none of those items happen quick. I know Transat AT isn't happy about CanJet doing some of "their" flying, but if money is the issue at hand, and CanJet is delivering Transat TC's product at or above their standards, which we are, why get rid of them? Who knows...maybe they'll just buy out CanJet, pilots, planes and all...then they can do what they want with what they just acquired...

[Trainer]

Boys, do not respond to Hogster330 digs about:"finally the 800s". Give me a frigging break. What is that? and why do you think he would put that on a CanJet thread?. Merely to get you upset.

He is deliberately throwing that out there to start sh*t so he can sit back and have a good laugh at the reaction it gets from us. Don't feed him. These guys are running their own agenda.....dont contribute to it. Just ignore him.

T

[hogster330]

Relax Boys! I never said anything about Canjet losing their contract with Transat next year. My posts refer to us at Air Transat operating 737-800s. The process is underway now.The pilot group is presently negotiating and the FA's are next. The word is by the summer of 2011 or at the earliest next winter.That doesnt mean Canjet wont continue fulfilling it's contract but I doubt CJ will operate all 10 of the machines above the guaranteed 4 that are contracted until 2013.Anyway,until they are on our ramp dont get so excited.

[gloke]

Just heard that Transat is about to acquire 2 B737 NG... in operation for the next winter...
Hard for Canjet! But I have also heard that Canjet got new contracts too? Don't know for whom?
They are looking for F/O...

[Brize]

LOL Anti-Ice

'the biggest recession since the depression' hahahaha
Is that what you call it. I think you've been brainwashed by the media. Looking around, everyone is still driving brand new cars, there were no layoffs in our industry, if anything Jazz, Canjet and Porter hired like mad, and Ikea and Costco couldn't pile their shelves fast enough for us pile it all into our shopping carts, and everyone including their grandmother dropped a few hundred on a $100 a month iphone or blackberry.

[Dim]

Im curious to see the 737NG payscale for Transat. Anyone privy to that information?

[60N30W]

When we see the airplanes on the ramp in TSC colors then we can worry about the pay scale! As it stands right now TSC is years of service, not status pay, so same payscale as the other aircraft.

Regards,

60N30W

[twinpratts]

"We hired 20 in 2008, 40 in 2009, and are hiring 20-30 in 2010"
That's it?

[Troubleshot]

"We hired 20 in 2008, 40 in 2009, and are hiring 20-30 in 2010"
That's it?

And the point of that post was.....

[verybadman]

CJ's on-time performance on a seasonal basis has surpassed AT's standard that was set for us. That is a recent statement directly to CJ employees from our CEO. Not to diminish the problems that we experienced at the outset of the season, but we pulled up our socks and got it done. I am also not suggesting that CJ offers the same service standard as you might see on an AT flight (ie; hot meals), but CJ was committed to this standard but it obviously increased the cost back to AT. They (AT) decided that the status quo was sufficient and hot meals were not implemented.

To speak about the experience of CJ pilot’s vs. any other jet operator in Canada and an attempt to diminish our experience level (see quote below from John Prater, ALPA President) is ridiculous...

“Outsourcing Transat A.T. flying to other carriers runs the risk of diminishing the travel experience in the eyes of our customers and goes directly against the business model that has made this company a success,” said Aubin. “We are putting management on notice that we will not be outsourced to a less experienced and cheaper work force,” said Prater.

We may be cheaper, but not less experienced. CJ has been operating variations of the 737 since 1999, and we do it well. Other than WJ we are the most experienced 737 operator in Canada.

AT is a great company and we are very fortunate to be affiliated with them and have the privilege of flying their customers. As pilots, we do our very best to ensure that our passengers arrive safely and on time and take seriously any allegations stated to the contrary. Fulfilling AT’s expectation is a high priority for pilots at CJ and we look forward to an improved operation next season.

[60N30W]

Hello Verybadman,

First of all the comments from both Captain Prater and Aubin have nothing to do with the ability of the CJ pilots, but rather the passenger/customer's experience in the cabin. It would be unprofessional to say the least for one ALPA carrier to bad mouth another one, I suggest you reread the comments.

The quote about "less experienced" is very general, and is not directed at the pilot group but rather in my opinion: entire companies, further more I do not recall CJ ever being mentioned in the press release. Could you show me where they (CJ) is mentioned?

Second, you are dreaming to think you are the second most experienced operator of 737 in the country, after WJ, you are more like forth, WJ third, after First Air (NWT AIR) and Canadian North. Both have been flying 737 long before either WJ or CJ was even a thought!!!!

Regards,

60N30w

[Old fella]

"Second, you are dreaming to think you are the second most experienced operator of 737 in the country, after WJ, you are more like forth, WJ third, after First Air (NWT AIR) and Canadian North. Both have been flying 737 long before either WJ or CJ was even a thought!!!!"

First and Canadian N have been stuffing their '37-200 on unprepaired strips in NWT as well, haven't they not, so wouldn't that suggest they have a good insight on this aircraft type. Just asking!!!

[verybadman]

Hello Verybadman,

First of all the comments from both Captain Prater and Aubin have nothing to do with the ability of the CJ pilots, but rather the passenger/customer's experience in the cabin. It would be unprofessional to say the least for one ALPA carrier to bad mouth another one, I suggest you reread the comments.

The quote about "less experienced" is very general, and is not directed at the pilot group but rather in my opinion: entire companies, further more I do not recall CJ ever being mentioned in the press release. Could you show me where they (CJ) is mentioned? Unfortunately, the quote is the quote. I didn't author it, but many interpret it the way in the same way I do, as does our MEC. CJ is not specifically mentioned as that would be unprofessional. But I am curious who is the comment referencing?

Second, you are dreaming to think you are the second most experienced operator of 737 in the country, after WJ, you are more like forth, WJ third, after First Air (NWT AIR) and Canadian North. Both have been flying 737 long before either WJ or CJ was even a thought!!!! In the southern domestic and charter market we have been doing this for over a decade. CJ started in 2000, Canadian North 1999. You're being picky. Either way my comments are only meant to state our experience; not rate it against other well established and experienced airlines.

I do not need to re-read any of the comments. Mr Prator would unlikely be commenting on passenger experience in the cabin. Generally, those things are left to the flight attendant unions to comment on.

[60N30W]

Oldfella,

'First and Canadian N have been stuffing their '37-200 on unprepaired strips in NWT as well, haven't they not, so wouldn't that suggest they have a good insight on this aircraft type. Just asking!!!"

I thought that was the point I was making, yes they have great insight.

Verybadman,

Interpret how you like, nothing I can do about that. Right now the concern for the Air Transat pilots is our flying being farmed out to others, CJ, Thomas Cook, etc... No one in our group of pilots (to the best of my knowledge) doubts the abilities of the CJ group of pilots to operate safely.

I think the comment is referencing entire companies, and not individuals. I figure you guys would be saying similar things if it was your jobs and futures you were trying to protect. Just my opinion.

This is a tough subject to get into over the internet, more than happy to chat at the airport, I am thorough YYZ a couple of times in the next week or so.

If your MEC was hurt by the comments, things happen, some were hurt when they agreed to let all the Germans come and fly here, and once again help de-value Canadian pilots, but we move on, just business, right?

Regards,

60N30W