Encore AME jobs

[NeverBlue]

Site Manager - Stettler, ALB-11000190
Description


Site Manager – Stettler, AB Wind Farm
Vestas-Canadian Wind Technology, Inc.
Salary Range: $95,689.44 - $143,534.16
Nature of position: regular, full-time

Really? Seriously?

This is the job you think these guys are qualified to do?
Right away most of these guys won't want it cause it's management ...and they think management is a useles entity
...immediately that tells you they've never gone to university and taken any kind of business or economics course.

But seriously, this is the job you should have posted:

https://vestas.taleo.net/careersection/ ... detail.ftl

...go ahead guys...you're all capable of "regular walking" aren't you?

I got to say...this forum gives me and my colleagues literally hours of laughter every Thursday night at the pub.

$60K to work remotely in inclimate weather conditions, climbing 125 meter ladders and working in confined spaces at 300 feet or more...great...what are you waiting for?...you might even get a call-back.

Now you all can believe what ever you want ...I really don't care and there is nothing I can do about it anyway.

...but I really do have a pretty good job...and many of my friends do as well.
Is it because I'm an AME "E"? who knows.

If anyone has any inclination to do some investigation...and being that a lot of you perhaps reside on the west coast...check out these 3 positions held by AME "E" engineers at Vectro Aerospace Helicopter Support in Langley.
1) Avionics Supervisor
2) Engineering Supervisor
3) VP Operations Langley

All three have 2 year diplomas from the "puppy mills" as you all like to call them
(I think all from BCIT)

All three are probably making ( at least I know 2 are) what you all claim is not attainable in this industry, the same range as what WT Syndrome posted as the Site Manager's wage.

And all three started in this industry making "poverty" wages ...as Pat Richard likes to say

Again...they paid their dues...worked hard...and are now reaping the benefits and doing something they like.

And of course, I have a very similar position at another reputable aerospace company in Canada and was actually head hunted by a national firm and lured away from my old job (which I enjoyed very much) based on my experiences, track record and reputation.

So believe what you want. I really don't care. But I certainly don't need some arrogant former AME that couldn't hack it and moved to another industry (with unlimited sick days ) coming on here and telling me my job "sucks"

There are many, many opportunities that arise every day in Canada's aviation industry as a result of retirement and the lack of really good people.

...you just have to recognise that, know what it takes to get there, and do it...


...............


Oh that's right Pat Richard...they call themselves "Aerospace" companies. Maybe you should call and tell them they need to change their names

[Troubleshot]

GyvAir,

I don't work for Vestas. A buddy of mine that runs a Vestas farm about 70kms from me sent that to me a while back. Most postings for Site Managers for wind parks will have the associates degree attached but it is not required. I just took a regular aircraft maintenance course but I had Crew Chief and Manager experience in aviation. My current company is filled with ex-aviation executives, hell our CEO was the Vice President of Global Express Program at Bombardier and the Vice President Lockheed Martin Aeronautics...he likes aerospace people there is no doubt.

What these companies are looking for in their Site Managers is attention to detail, someone that has a strong technical back ground and can manage employees effectively. The administrative stuff like budgets, etc. is easy. My yearly operations budget I manage is about $1.6 million which isn't that much compared to other larger parks. You don't have to develop a budget from scratch just be able to identify where you money is going and keep costs under control within an established system (SAP).

The average salary for a Site Manager is about $100,000-$115,000 plus bonuses. The bonus structure is based off "park running" percentage, safety, inventory, and budget conformance. if you hit all your targets you receive about $12K, if you are off a bit you get about $10K. I also have a paid company vehicle (2012 Dodge Ram) with company fuel card, that I am actually encouraged to use as a personal vehicle because it is apart of my compensation package. Good health benefits, retirement saving plan, etc..

I am home everyday at 5pm and get all holidays off. Do I miss working on airplanes?...you know not as much as I thought I would, this job keeps me busy and engaged. To be honest I was terrified when I quit my last airline job but that quickly went away once I started to figure this industry out. The Wind Turbines are advanced but not mind blowing, my boss sent me to another company park in the States to work as a Tech for 3 weeks to learn the lingo and get familiarized...piece of cake.

Here are the Big Players in the Wind Industry:
-Vestas
-GE
-Siemens
-Suzlon
-REPower
-Enercon

[212wrench]

I got to heliski for free. Sorry it wasn't free, they paid me around $600 per day to do it, but I know that's unrealistic . Simple if you don't like being an AME, QUIT!!! Do something else. I have a list of really good dedicated folks the length of your arm who will do your job and love it.

[NeverBlue]

...and I used to commute from the island to work everyday for free by helicopter

Thanks for weighing in 212!

...sometimes I feel so alone...

[chowda]

Sometimes I feel so alone

sometimes? u sound like the type who would be alone most of the time.

[hoptwoit]

[NeverBlue]

that's it?...nothing derogatory?...no insults?...no one calling me a liar?

Hoptwoit?...nothing?

...this is getting boring

[chowda]

u want to be insulted? i guess maybe u r used to it here and maybe u like it but i just thouht u sound too intense for most and u like to argue. thread seems to be drifting.

[NeverBlue]

uhhh...I was being sarcastic Chowda.

...eluding to the fact that whenever I try to defend this industry and post my experiences all I get is negative feedback, insults and people telling me I'm lying...which used to bother me but doesn't anymore because the fact is the truth is the truth

This thread started out as bashing the wages that Encore is rumored to be offering for AME's to start their regional airline service.
If you've read my posts...I never actually argued with that point and in fact I've said that they are too low to pull me away from my current job. I tend to agree that they are low...if they are in fact the wages being offered

However... I am disappointed with the posters on here calling people names such as "Dummies" for applying and perhaps accepting such wages. People need to work and $55-60K is not poverty as some suggest(especially if you're on Unemployment)...and right on par with some other airlines entry level wages such as Jazz and Air Canada.

It also disappoints me when someone from another industry comes on here and says "your industry sucks". I happen to think otherwise...and am not afraid to say it and will argue that point

Everyone has to start somewhere and one thing for sure is the fact that the wage one starts at will regularly increase at companies like Jazz, Air Canada, Westjet, Transat, Porter, Kelowna Flightcraft, etc, etc...and probably Encore as well. They all have a payscale.

I may be wrong but I have never heard of any AME, experienced or not, going to AC or Jazz and starting at the top end of the payscale....people would be outraged

You can ask anyone that has been working for Westjet what kind of wages they get at the top end and the "other" cheques they receive on a regular bases...it's no too bad.

Getting in at Encore during start-up will only present opportunities for advancement once they get going IMO... if you play your cards right...but that's just IMO

So...you can say what you want about me but if you read any of my posts on this website you will see a definate trend...defending the industry that has paid my bills for the last 25 years and the people in it, and using examples of my experiences to do it...and taking on those that bash these people and my experiences.

...and people like you will keep on taking shots at me like you have in your one post on this thread...for seemingly no reason other than it's Neverblue saying how much he likes his job and the work he does.

Jeez, what a terrible attitude that Neverblue has...

[NeverBlue]

I'm curious Chowda...are you still conducting for CPR?

[Pat Richard]

What 50G a year is worth in the real world

Ground Services Equipment Mechanic - Fort McMurray - Rotation
Strategic Aviation Services has an immediate opening for a
Ground Services Equipment Mechanic at our Fort McMurray base.

Strategic Aviation Services - Overview

Strategic Aviation (SA) is an emerging aviation services company offering a rapidly-broadening range of passenger, cargo and ground support services to businesses centered around aviation in Canada. SA currently provides ground services at a range of Tier 2 airports in B.C., Alberta, NWT and the Yukon.

Position:

Ground Servicing Equipment – Mechanic
• $50,000 salary per year

Location:
Fort McMurray (YMM)
• 15 on / 15 off rotation
• Travel costs to and from YMM are paid for by the Company
• Accommodation is provided in the Crew House
• Transportation in YMM is provided

So ground equipment for 50G a/year+accomadation+transportation, or 50G a/yr to be responsible for maintaining a modern aircraft that carries 70ish people to a destination where many of them make more than you do. Oh yeah, find your own accomadation and transportation.

Like I said, DUMMIES

[NeverBlue]

Like I said, DUMMIES

tsk...tsk...tsk

such insults.

[azimuthaviation]

real world

If you think the real world exists in the maintenance yards of Fort Mac airport you really need to expand your world outlook.

Like I said, DUMMIES

Yeah all the smart kids grow up to be equipment mechanics in Northern Alberta

[Pat Richard]

real world

If you think the real world exists in the maintenance yards of Fort Mac airport you really need to expand your world outlook.

Again, look past your personal prejudice, and try to comprehend. The real world being that 50G a year is a ground equipment mechs wage. Don't particularly care the ad is for ft mac because many aviation posting require relocation(at a AME's expense) to even shittier locations, which, according to you would be where the smart ones should be going.
Considering ft mac is a listed destination for encore, how is 50G a year, with no accommodation included, a better offering than a lower liability ground mechanic position which offers accomadation, even if it is a crew house?
Can't brag to people that you are a Aircraft Maintenance Engineer maintaining a Bombardier Q400 for Westjet? You want to pay for your own relocation/accommodation/transportation in ft mac?

Yeah, Im the one who needs world outlook expansion.

Like I said, DUMMIES

Yeah all the smart kids grow up to be equipment mechanics in Northern Alberta

No, according to you the smart ones work for $22 a/hr releasing airplanes there..

[azimuthaviation]

lower liability

yeah this liability is pretty serious stuff. How much a year do you pay in liability insurance to protect yourself? I mean since it is such a major concern someone must offer AME insurance, and you must have it right?

[Troubleshot]

I think he means liability as in you can go to jail, no one is throwing you in prison if a wheel falls off a baggage cart because you didn't torque it properly.

[NeverBlue]

no one is throwing you in prison if a wheel falls off a baggage cart because you didn't torque it properly.

They certainly will if that wheel rolls away and kills somebody!

...or if you've done a brake job on a car and they fail causing everyone in the car to be killed.


No one throws you in jail if an airplane crashes and it has nothing to do with the maintenance you did on it either.


This whole mentality that an AME is responsible for everyone's safety on board an aircraft is ridiculous.

AME's are simply responsible for doing their work correctly...that's it...just like anyone else.

[Pat Richard]

lower liability

yeah this liability is pretty serious stuff. How much a year do you pay in liability insurance to protect yourself? I mean since it is such a major concern someone must offer AME insurance, and you must have it right?

umm..yeah, I do.

So your saying, and i know you've alluded to contracting, that you carry none?? Most, not all, companies require contractors to carry some sort of liability insurance. There is asset protection in incorporating, but I still carry it. It ended up falling under "hangar keeper" or something like that. Around a couple (2100ish)of grand a year, but dependent on deductible.

There was something more specific in the works from brokers about a year ago, but I don't know where its at. I might need to review my policy.

Why do you make it sound so outlandish that a contract AME would have liability insurance?

Most independent guys do.

[azimuthaviation]

Thats not the liability Im talking about. Im talking about people who think that an AME license is "a license to got o jail" or theres a great risk of being sued or charged criminally for something that they signed off on. Fact is it doesnt really happen, how many AME's do you know who are sitting in jail for something they did on the job? Or sued for everything they own for work they signed off on?

I offer you this situation. Two people offer you a contract. One has a fleet of certified aircraft, the other has a fleet of Rv-12's. The guy with the certified aircraft is offering you 40 an hour (he is paying the WCB and liability), the RV guy says "since Im signing the work off, and youre not using your license and youre free from any fallout I am going to pay you 5% less, 38 an hour". What job do you take? If you take the former you are saying your license, signature, and all the risk and responsibilty it entails isnt worth two bucks an hour, but you expect employers to cough up big dollars for it? Now Im not saying you as in you personally but from the feel i get most people would take the 40 an hour gig, and why not?

That being said do I take what I do lightly? Absolutely not. There is a risk to public safety that I am entrusted with and I dont take that lightly. But when I get behind the wheel to drive to work I am also entrusted with preserving the public safety and I can be sued or imprisoned for something foolish I do on the commute to and from work as well.

[Troubleshot]

azimuthaviation,

I don't think that really is a fair statement. How many guys do you know who have worked on a plane that has crashed then? I will say maybe one? But I am sure none. Only way someone is getting sued by the public is if someone dies because of your direct negligence. I think AME's, Pilots, and ATC's are trusted with a lot more than just the people on the plane itself. We are trusted with people on the ground too, as well as, making sure the public trusts our industry and skills. If a car crashes and takes out 6 people due to a car mechanic messing up and easy brake job... it makes local news (still bad but that's it), a plane crashes and takes out a city block because an AME didn't properly lock out a thrust reverser....well you get where I am going with this. Both jobs are easy but the out comes are waaay different and public will want to hang the AME. The auto mechanic may get charged as well but he won't have an entire industry looking for him to take the fall, and won't be raked over the coals on CNN, etc...His normal life is over.

I know you agree with me about the highest safety standard and all that, but I think some are not giving our workmanship enough credit here. Do I think you or any other AME would go to jail by causing a crash?...maybe, maybe not, but it is very possible if they can prove you are negligent (not getting a dual sig on a flight control comes to mind). Remember the Aviation industry needs a scapegoat when shit hits the fan and if they can throw you under the bus they will without missing a beat.

Think about the mass destruction an AME, Pilot, or Air Traffic Controller can cause just by having a bad day, think of the mass amount of lives that can be taken out just because you forgot just one little thing...forget getting sued, think of your mental well being after something like that. Now think of how rare all that bad shit is in our industry....the professionals I have listed here are a cut above.

Anyway, that is my 2cents

[seamus]

Wow..you guys drifted way off topic here. By the time this ridiculous back-and-forth, being dragged out here purely for the sake of argument, is over Encore should be on their first round of lay-offs

Good luck with your criminal/civil litigation debate boys.

[fixnfly]

Wow..you guys drifted way off topic here. By the time this ridiculous back-and-forth, being dragged out here purely for the sake of argument, is over Encore should be on their first round of lay-offs

Good luck with your criminal/civil litigation debate boys.

+1

[Pat Richard]

Encore still looking as of 3 days ago

https://career4.successfactors.com/care ... AlertName=&

WestJet has a new and exciting opportunity that would allow you to be part of the Q400 Regional start up team. This is an exceptional opportunity for an entrepreneurial type individual, to help build and launch a new airline for a growing and progressive organization.



Posting Open Date: 05/27/2013

Posting Close Date: 06/03/2013 (Please note the posting will close at 11:59pm EST)







WestJet Encore is looking to hire AMEs with the following terms of employment:



• $23.16 - $24.57/hour

• Guaranteed Q400 Endorsement course

• ACA certification with premium pay



Responsibilities:



·Exercise the privileges of the Aircraft Certification Authority in accordance with this manual (if authorized).

·Understand and comply with the regulatory requirements and the requirements of the Company manuals.

·Accurate completion of all paperwork in accordance with published procedures, manuals and documentation.

·Provide supervision, mentorship, instruction and guidance for non-ACA Technicians and/or Apprentice Engineers working on shift at their facility.

·Care and custody of tooling and publications associated with the maintenance function.

·Accomplish all work tasks assigned.

·After termination of the last flight or releasing the aircraft to service, ensure all paperwork required for Technical Dispatch is sent to the Maintenance Control Department in a timely manner.

·Communicate any safety, performance or operational concerns to the applicable management personnel and work together to rectify in a timely manner.

·Perform Stores duties if the Stores personnel are unavailable.

·Perform other duties and assignments as requested by the Director, Maintenance.



Qualifications:



·Must hold a valid Transport Canada AME license M2, or E as required by the role.

·Must have experience on the aircraft that they are required to sign a maintenance release (if authorized).

·Must hold a Radio License Industry Canada (Aeronautical) Certificate within six (6) months from accepting the position (as required by duties)

·Eligible for RAIC pass

·Preference will be given to candidates who are Q400 endorsed



Everyone Loves an Encore!



Now is your chance to be part of one. WestJet Encore is about to take flight and we will do this in the same WestJet fashion that when we took to the skies 17 years ago by enriching the lives of everyone in WestJet’s world by providing safe, caring and affordable air travel. WestJet Encore will now bring this remarkable service to Canadians in communities that have been waiting for us and that have unfortunately not had many air travel options. Until now that is. WestJet Encore is going to liberate more Canadians in more cities by making the opportunity to connect easier and above all more affordable!

Do you want to be part of this Encore and do you have the energy, enthusiasm and commitment to help build the greatest low-cost regional airline in Canada with the greatest Q400 career opportunities in the country?



We thought you might.



Here is our value proposition to you:



You become an owner and being an owner you have a voice that matters. Because owners care we choose to collaborate with our people and through this we make great business decision. We also have a lot of fun doing what we do because we take our jobs seriously but not ourselves.

As an owner you will participate in our employee share purchase plan, where up to 10 per cent of your contributions are matched 100 % dollar for dollar by WestJet. Best plan in the industry.

Profit sharing – you’ll have the chance to earn a share of our profits. As of Q3 2012 we’ve had an amazing 30 consecutive quarters of profitability. Since we started we have shared over $275,000,000 in profit with our people.

Staying healthy. Flexible benefits plan including health, dental and more, with a 50/50 cost share split. Not to mention wellness programs and strategies that help guide and reinforce a healthy lifestyle

Travel privileges that include WestJet’s extensive network along with access to the privileges associated with our many global partners. We will get you around the world with no seniority constraints. It’s equal access for all WestJetters





We would like to thank all applicants in advance for sending in their resumes. Only those who qualify will be considered for the role. WestJet Encore is an equal opportunity employer and encourages applications from all qualified individuals. WestJet Encore's hiring policy is to recruit and select the best applicant for employment solely on the basis of their qualifications for the position. WestJet does not discriminate against applicants based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability or a conviction for which a pardon has been granted. Safety comes first at WestJet Encore.

Same for edmonton and ft mac, so I guess no stampede

Go figure.

[azimuthaviation]

Guaranteed Q400 Endorsement course

Yeah, with a three to five year bond depending who you ask. Which Im sure Bombardier is putting on for free. But the fact that they are not staffing those positions means those are below industy standards. At least people realise it and are refusing them.

[The Weasel]

I am not hiring right now, turn over is not very high. haha.

this was a posting for a Site Manager a while back, not sure if it is still open.

Site Manager - Stettler, ALB-11000190
Description

Site Manager – Stettler, AB Wind Farm
Vestas-Canadian Wind Technology, Inc.
Salary Range: $95,689.44 - $143,534.16
Nature of position: regular, full-time

In the interest of avoiding comparing apples to oranges here, I think posting the qualifications required in the job posting you gave as an example would have been a good idea:

"Qualifications

Associates degree or equivalent, Bachelor’s degree preferred
Experience and knowledge of wind turbines and power plant operations. Will consider similar industry and/or technology such as hydraulic, rotating heavy equipment service and maintenance
Significant experience as a leader of a field-deployed technician team with responsibility for scheduled and unscheduled maintenance
Experience managing safety programs that include LOTO, Electrical, Fall Arrest & High Angle Emergency Decent, and Confined Space.
Demonstrated leadership ability in coaching, mentoring, motivating and developing employees to achieve a highly aligned, motivated and engaged team.
Demonstrated continuous improvement and quality methodology skills.
Previous accountability for budgeting, P&L, and cost management.
Demonstrated ability to achieve customer loyalty through effective relationships and demonstration of value differentiation.
Valid driver's license, passport and ability to travel as needed to meet business objectives.
Ability to successfully complete a 200-400 foot pre-employment climb test, pre-employment physical and drug screen, criminal background check, and driving record check. Knowledge of technical drawings and schematics."

Line number one alone eliminates the majority of AMEs still working in aviation. I strongly suspect that none of the AMEs accepting Westjet's current offer would have stood a chance of being hired for that position.

By the way, that posting expired November 2011. They do however have other current postings in Canada that I must admit do look interesting and realistic to an experienced AME looking for something new.

I think quoting the qualifications was important. In my experience, a large number of AMEs lack (career) experience/skills in anything beyond the standard mechanical skills involved. I'm not saying they're simple or stupid, just that things beyond basic maintenance abilities doesn't usually interest them. I would say that for most lines of work as well, not just aviation. The average worker doesn't typically have the desire/motivation to improve or develop their own skillsets or qualifications. The number of AMEs that I know who have on their own initiative done any kind of career skills or development training is minimal. Taking a number of qualifications from the above add:

-Associates degree or equivalent, Bachelor’s degree preferred
-Significant experience as a leader
-Experience managing safety programs
-Demonstrated leadership ability in coaching, mentoring, motivating and developing employees to achieve a highly aligned, motivated and engaged team.
-Demonstrated continuous improvement and quality methodology skills.
-Previous accountability for budgeting, P&L, and cost management.
-Demonstrated ability to achieve customer loyalty through effective relationships and demonstration of value differentiation.

Anyone with such skills and qualifications (in addition to your basic standard pilot or AME certifications/experience) can make +90k in aviation. Yet how many AMEs (or pilots) show any desire or interest in gaining these kinds of skills or experience? Very few. Want to make more than 50K in aviation? Get professional teaching, management, business, auditing, quality, safety, etc training/education/certifications. Want to get paid more than a line guy? BE more than a line guy...