Air Canada Pool

[snag]

All those force reduced to rouge have to keep bidding back to mainline or they lose their pre reduction pay rate. I'd be confident in assuming 56 YYZ rouge F/O spots for new hires.

[ratherbee]

Looks like YVR and YWG are not available for new hires or anyone wanting to move (closed bases).

[scopiton]

I'd be confident in assuming 56 YYZ rouge F/O spots for new hires.

therefore would they have the option to bid 320/767 which ever comes first ? interesting.

[TheStig]

What's interesting? New Hires are usually given the opportunity to bid on vacant positions after current pilots have bid. The company does have the final say in what positions are made available to the New Hire class. As stated already, most likely the vacancies will be on the YYZ LCC 319 FO, but we'll know more in a couple of weeks.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Let's say a new hire gets the 319 at Rouge, flies it for a few months and a bid comes out showing A320 openings at mainline (after everyone has bid). Can he/she bid on it or is the 4 year position freeze rules? In this case no training would be required, just a change of tie....

Thanks!

B.

[DBC]

Let's say a new hire gets the 319 at Rouge, flies it for a few months and a bid comes out showing A320 openings at mainline (after everyone has bid). Can he/she bid on it or is the 4 year position freeze rules? In this case no training would be required, just a change of tie....

Thanks!

B.

My understanding is that the freeze is in effect, they are separate companies so training is required.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Are you saying that the SOPs are different?

From what I understand, a move from LCC A319 to Mainline 320 Fam will not be considered an equipment change and therefore not deducted from your 5 or 6 moves allowed during your carreer at AC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

B.

[SeaBat]

Buzz,

You are correct.

[MB22]

I think I read on a previous post or thread that if you bid Rouge you are frozen there for 2 years before you can bid back to Mainline. But if a new hire starts out there are they still frozen from bidding 320 for 2 years?

p.s. I understand this is hypothetical seeing as with mainline 320 being reduced to Rouge it will be unlikely for a new hire to see 320 spot for quite some time. Just out of curiosity.

[bravowhiskey]

first 4 years is a position freeze.

[SeaBat]

I think I read on a previous post or thread that if you bid Rouge you are frozen there for 2 years before you can bid back to Mainline

Almost, but not quite correct. Once you bid and are trained at rouge (pilots in first 4 years notwithstanding; applies to anyone not on first 4 year freeze) you can bid your seat back at mainline whenever you can hold it..., and then the 2 year freeze commences.

Example: Pilot bids and is trained as a CA on the LCC 319. Then on the very next bid after training, bids and is awarded 320 CA at mainline. Once he is transferred over to mainline, he is frozen for 2 years before he can bid back to rouge. The reason for this is to prevent guys going to rouge to take advantage of the annual socialized vacation bid, and then bidding back to mainline with the juicy vacation award.

[MB22]

Thanks SeaBat. While on the topic, I'm not familiar with socialized bidding system, any chance of explanation of what it entails?

[SeaBat]

Socialized bidding is a fair share system, and is used at rouge for both vacation and monthly schedule. Everyone in your category (seat you hold) is given points each month for bidding their schedule. You place a portion, or all, of your points on whatever you want to do for any particular month - days off, pairings etc.

Hence, seniority does not matter; the most junior guy has the same chance of getting as good a schedule as the most senior guy.

[MB22]

Thanks for explanation. I recall people mentioning no reserve blocks? Does that mean no reserve whatsoever or that reserve days will be split up between the whole roster? Ie. the most senior guy can get stuck with 3 reserve days in his schedule.

[DBC]

No reserve coverage at all. Rouge pilots are expected to volunteer to cover any rouge open flying. The last step of assigning open flying is involuntary draft by lottery.

[MB22]

One last question. What if they are commuters/someone not available who are involuntarily selected?? Are they penalized?

[SeaBat]

Once you get your monthly schedule, your days off are yours to do what you like. There is an "expectation" that the remaining open flying will be covered by volunteers, and I think that they won't have any problem covering that flying. There always seems to be people willing to fly for the right incentive. So, if you are a commuter, you don't have to worry about someone calling you and telling you that you have just been "voluntold" to come into work.

[MB22]

Cool. Thanks for insight

[lov2fly]

Anyone in line for Nov 11 course got a call yet?

[solarnems]

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[bravowhiskey]

I was told calls went out today for november 11

[MB22]

I was told calls went out today for november 11

Where is your source from? Can anyone else confirm calls have went out? I would hope they are still going in order of interview date?

[bravowhiskey]

I was just told by some co-workers that have friends that got called for the course

[MRP]

Latest position assignment released. Here is a quick summary of the openings showing "new hire". Keep in mind that the company may not offer all of these at once to the new hire classes.

YUL
1- LCC 319
2- 320
5- EMJ

YYZ
32- LCC 319
8- LCC 767 F
2- 777RP
2- EMJ

YVR
4- 767 RP

Good luck to those who get a call!

[Hilton]

Good one, Thanks MRP

Are any of the vacancies left over from the August bid or are these all new?

Someone mentioned the vacancies advertised in a bid are for 6 months advance, Does this "release'' mean there will be courses for 56 newbies over the next 6 months?

How is the training department coping at the moment?



H.