slap in the face

[Troubleshot]

save your breath Helian...it's like talking to rocks.

-2nd or 3rd year apprentice - this job pays $25/HR...as much as an Encore AME!!

most of the AME's that I know became one in 2 - 3 yrs...then made $25/hr.

so what's the point??

Oh and you are always voice of reason here...please...I am happy you have found one forum user out of thousands you can finally be buddy-buddy with...

[Pat Richard]

Part 7 maintenance requires an AMO, since they don't have one you won't be signing out ANY maintenance. Maybe some elementary work and servicing, which is basic.

WTH do you people want? an AME union? how is 60g's a year not enough to live? Again, you're obviously way too experienced, so don't apply, stay at your current job where you get paid 240,000 a year for doing nothing.

What are you talking about?? we are not talking about what it takes to "live", we are talking about the qualifications vs. pay. The licence commands more than $60K on its own, let alone being asked to do "extra work" on top of that.

you are acting naive to help prove your point. When an ad states "AME licence required", and "Preference will be given to those who possess previous Garrett engine experience" I don't envision cleaning oleos and topping up oils.... any AME that been around the block knows what that means. If it is just pushing paper they should hire a experienced tech records clerk not an AME.

So you are saying this company does not have an AMO? a TC search shows they do (AMO 310-92), have they surrendered this? I am not familiar with this company.

/l\ this/l\

So justification for the shitty offer is that one should be able to "live on it" and that a expectancy of higher wages is just greed... . Thats the kind of low self esteem attitude the company is looking for, and just like Bent Wrench said, they will find someone to fill it.
There's at least three avhardons just in this thread, so Im sure theres more out there who want to upgrade to a double wide.

[Meecka]

So you are saying this company does not have an AMO? a TC search shows they do (AMO 310-92), have they surrendered this? I am not familiar with this company.

As of 2 years ago the AMO was still active. And I can assure you, the PRM will be turning wrenches, doing inspections and the like, at least the one they had when I worked the contract did.

[Pat Richard]

Gee, no kidding...lol. so shocked to hear that.

thanks Meecka, u just confirmed what all us rocks suspected.

At least our heads aren't full of them.

[Schimunga]

Pat--You know what I found in my travels in and out of aviation is that with an attitude adjustment to the positive side and a little bit of drive you will find that your renumeration and lifestyle can greatly improve. Reading your posts makes me wonder if you can can accomplish either. You should try it though. You might be surprised with the outcome.

I think you and Troubleshot missed my point. I don't know how many times both of you were claiming that plumbers make more. I was showing that isn't the case. Even when the economy was hot not every job paid well. What makes me wonder is why the two of you believe that receiving an AME license automatically deserves a high wage when you haven't proven anything. What's the qualifications to get into AME school? Grade 11 math? Grade 11 English? Yes that deserves a 100 G right out of the gate. Its not like we are certifying bridges. The AME's I know that make good money have worked hard to get where they are. They didn't sit around expecting that kind of money.

[Troubleshot]

I think you are missing my point, the plumber jobs you listed are above AME salaries in every way from apprentice to licenced guy. Two of them do not require a licence and one states "some high school" so your argument is invalid. No one is talking about hard work or attitude, you guys are twisting the cold hard facts here. You prove yourself during your apprenticeship and when you get your licence like every other trade out there it should be pay day...so $60k for an AME plus PRM duties is a joke .

Try and justify all you like with your Tony Robbins speech...funny thing is the guy that could do this job like an all-star would never except that joke of a wage, so they'll take a sucker and use him/her like hired whore.

[Pat Richard]

yep, also read it as babble. guy thinks he's hitting home runs with his links and babble for the Iheartaviation side, but can't identify he's going the other way.
Makings of neverblue part two.

[Posthumane]

Geez, I should have become an AME. Instead I went to a lousy university for a bunch of years and my first job was less than $60k annual salary, with no chance of overtime pay. If I had known that AMEs consider that a slap in the face I totally would have gone into that.

Then again, my friend who got a job driving trains for CN rail made more than $85k, with no degree required. Less than a year of on the job training with pay. And the guys driving trucks for BP in Fort Mac make about as much as engineers with 20+ years experience in my organization. Turns out there isn't a 100% correlation between qualifications and pay...

[Heliian]

with only 2 a/c, the DOM should be doing PRM duties, if not then nevermind, they're idiots.

[Troubleshot]

Geez, I should have become an AME. Instead I went to a lousy university for a bunch of years and my first job was less than $60k annual salary, with no chance of overtime pay. If I had known that AMEs consider that a slap in the face I totally would have gone into that.

Then again, my friend who got a job driving trains for CN rail made more than $85k, with no degree required. Less than a year of on the job training with pay. And the guys driving trucks for BP in Fort Mac make about as much as engineers with 20+ years experience in my organization. Turns out there isn't a 100% correlation between qualifications and pay...

I know what you are saying about university but what year did you graduate? just curious. My wife and two brothers went to university and graduated around 2001, they all started above $70K/yr in their first jobs...now they are killin it, none of them have ever been laid-off either.

Respectfully, I disagree with this statement: "Turns out there isn't a 100% correlation between qualifications and pay", if you are comparing a trade to a trade their should be a correlation, and in most trades there is. You can easily compare a plumber to a electrician, or a Heavy Duty mechanic to an Auto mechanic, etc...But if you are going to try and compare a trade to non-technical position like a nurse or fireman it will be difficult to stack-up qualifications vs. pay.


Look fellas, I am not saying that $60K a year is nothing, I'm saying that as a trade the money should be on par with other trades which clearly it is not (Fort Mac aside). Trust me, the job posted here is no entry level position.

[NeverBlue]

Respectfully,

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Geez, I should have become an AME. Instead I went to a lousy university for a bunch of years and my first job was less than $60k annual salary, with no chance of overtime pay. If I had known that AMEs consider that a slap in the face I totally would have gone into that.

...love it...

[Posthumane]

I know what you are saying about university but what year did you graduate? just curious. My wife and two brothers went to university and graduated around 2001, they all started above $70K/yr in their first jobs...now they are killin it, none of them have ever been laid-off either.

Respectfully, I disagree with this statement: "Turns out there isn't a 100% correlation between qualifications and pay", if you are comparing a trade to a trade their should be a correlation, and in most trades there is. You can easily compare a plumber to a electrician, or a Heavy Duty mechanic to an Auto mechanic, etc...But if you are going to try and compare a trade to non-technical position like a nurse or fireman it will be difficult to stack-up qualifications vs. pay.


Look fellas, I am not saying that $60K a year is nothing, I'm saying that as a trade the money should be on par with other trades which clearly it is not (Fort Mac aside). Trust me, the job posted here is no entry level position.

I graduated around the same time as your brothers. The starting pay varies greatly from one industry to another and one job to another within the same industry for engineers, and other occupations. I went into research which tends to be on the lower end although it certainly has gone up over the years. If I had decided to work in the oil industry instead I probably could have almost doubled my starting salary with the exact same qualifications.

Even within the a given trade the pay scale is set by the local economy and supply/demand. As mentioned, a truck driver in Fort Mac could be making north of $100k while a truck driver working for a grocery chain on the east coast could be making peanuts. You can compare electricians and plumbers to an extent because they work in the same realms and generally have comparable demands, but there are plenty of other trades with the same qualification path and controlled by the same governing bodies that have completely different pay scales. Compare a journeyman red-seal welder to a journeyman red-seal hairstylist as an example.