khedrei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:06 am
cdnavater wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:15 pm
I see the circle jerk buddies are back together!
Never seen his name before.
You can't seem to live by what you said and stop responding to me. Oh well. I'm still not going to pay rent though.
No, I put you on my ignore list but Hysteria quoted you so here I am, pardon me though, I thought you two had stroked each others ego before.
As for the topic, I gave up, you offered opinion without showing your work.
Unless the bottom wages went up significantly and for the first 10 years I just don’t see how your theory holds any water!
Going from 80k to 100k is about 1000 per month in take home pay, not insignificant but when you’re talking 5k to 6k per month, not a lot of room for “investing”. If your monthly expense are eating up most of your monthly income, you are extremely optimistic thinking anyone in that position is investing or even doubling down on debt, they are just living slightly more comfortably at that point. So taking 20k from the top and giving it to the bottom doesn’t do what you are suggesting it will.
And again, I can’t stress this enough, the pilots on top scale have been screwed over and over and fuc king over for the last two decades, so them sacrificing higher raises for pilots at the bottom is, how do I put this, STUPID! I firmly believe the bottom wages should be fixed by the company and not using any bargaining capital to do it, the pilots who have not started at AC have the power to do that, they just need to collectively grow a pair! Oh but seniority, boo hoo, who cares, don’t take the job if it doesn’t meet your expectations and certainly don’t take the job and expect the union to work as hard for the bottom scale as they do the top, they see the benefit of compounding raises at a higher amount and for much longer than a few years.
The scale it seems, significantly improves at the 5 year mark, so year 6-35 you are making a lot more than you would if you had your way.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the premise of investing less money earlier for compounding interest, I just don’t see it happening in your scenario, as I said above. Until you are comfortable and not living paycheque to paycheque, investing is the last thing on most pilots minds.
The bottom line is, I don’t see any good argument for taking from the top, those who have put their blood, sweat and tears into their long career, they earned it.
Most of the new hires are a few years in, yes most, of course some are expats coming home and again, I don’t care about your choice to leave and make more money because you knew the deal when you left, you were giving up the seniority ladder to chase metal and paycheque, should’ve stayed there or never left but life is about choices and how they affect the outcome of your career, not my problem to fix. As for the 2000 hour pilots coming in, I say, stay put until the company is begging you to join, by begging, I mean upping the pay but guess what, they don’t need to.
Look at Porter, why aren’t you talking about their FO pay, it’s a NB an only a couple bucks an hour more but no pension and pay your own benefits over there.
An AC FO will far out earn a Porter pilot even staying on the 220, if you upgrade at year 3, you’re already above Porter top pay, stay an FO and by the 3rd year you’re already above Porter and by year 5 you’re above top FO pay.
Here’s my question, how much would you take from the top and put to the bottom to make your utopian world? How much of that would need to be invested in the first 10 years to exceed the last 25 years at top scale?
