Maverick02 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:30 pm I had an interview with these guys . I have to say I wasn't super thrilled

The $31,000 training bond for a 50 K job isn't exactly a moral boaster .

They went on about their YYC based routes ... Calgary - Lethbridge , Calgary - Medicine Hat , Cranbrook .... wow

Then asked some easy IFR questions that I think a private pilot could answer .

Not for me . No thanks .

Just wondering, how many hours do you have? Were you an instructor?

PittBoss wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:59 pm Bonds are just unethical I say. Value your pilots and they will definitely stay.

Under a ‘normal’ job market, probably. Over the last 2 years of unprecedented growth, there is literally *Nothing* that a company like Pasco could have done, or afforded to do, to keep young pilots around. Nobody is going to stay at a job that tops out at ?$120k/yr? when AC or WJ come calling with their lifetime earning potential. I used to work at a small-ish 703/4 (Kingairs) carrier that had a bond. One of my co-workers got an offer from a 705 (B757) about 2 months after he’d completed his training. The salary raise at his new gig covered his bond. You could argue all you want about being a man of your word, but at the end of the day, he’s going to be way further ahead in his career with the heavy type and paycheque than he will be banging around in a KingAir.

mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:30 am

PittBoss wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:59 pm Bonds are just unethical I say. Value your pilots and they will definitely stay.

Under a ‘normal’ job market, probably. Over the last 2 years of unprecedented growth, there is literally *Nothing* that a company like Pasco could have done, or afforded to do, to keep young pilots around. Nobody is going to stay at a job that tops out at ?$120k/yr? when AC or WJ come calling with their lifetime earning potential. I used to work at a small-ish 703/4 (Kingairs) carrier that had a bond. One of my co-workers got an offer from a 705 (B757) about 2 months after he’d completed his training. The salary raise at his new gig covered his bond. You could argue all you want about being a man of your word, but at the end of the day, he’s going to be way further ahead in his career with the heavy type and paycheque than he will be banging around in a KingAir.

The solution is in your reply.

Pay king air pilots 200k and a lot of them will stay.
Something is seriously wrong with a company's pay scale (or culture) if jumping ship to another operator after 2 months will still be financially beneficial to that pilot within a year.

But I’d suspect that Pasco can’t afford to pay their Saab/1900 pilots 200/yr - there’s just not enough money in their system. And, under the current hiring environment, people would still leave to go to AC/WJ because the lifetime potential is so much greater.

mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:20 pm But I’d suspect that Pasco can’t afford to pay their Saab/1900 pilots 200/yr - there’s just not enough money in their system. And, under the current hiring environment, people would still leave to go to AC/WJ because the lifetime potential is so much greater.

US regionals used to pay $25k a year because there "wasn't enough money in the system" to pay them more. Then all of a sudden that money turned out to have been there all along.

mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:20 pm But I’d suspect that Pasco can’t afford to pay their Saab/1900 pilots 200/yr - there’s just not enough money in their system. And, under the current hiring environment, people would still leave to go to AC/WJ because the lifetime potential is so much greater.

Nobody can afford it, until they have to.

Some might still leave, but with a 200k salary I am sure a lot would stick around. 703/704 ops can offer really great jobs if they want to (or have to)

This is definitely a lifestyle job on the Saab and a great time builder on the 1900.

You can't stay for one year to reap the benefits of not only paying off your bond but be a near shoe in at AC or WS or Porter with some good time on your resume from a reputable 705/704?

The requirements to get on are not out of synch with the pay. This type of flying is some of the most valuable experience a pilot can have and one year or more at Pasco will definitely set you up well for the future.

Yeah bonds suck, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. A lot of tough talk in here from pilots who aren't really in touch with reality. Pasco would be a great place to either get started or to end up if you want to spend a lot of time with your family.

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:57 pm

mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:20 pm But I’d suspect that Pasco can’t afford to pay their Saab/1900 pilots 200/yr - there’s just not enough money in their system. And, under the current hiring environment, people would still leave to go to AC/WJ because the lifetime potential is so much greater.

Nobody can afford it, until they have to.

Some might still leave, but with a 200k salary I am sure a lot would stick around. 703/704 ops can offer really great jobs if they want to (or have to)

Lots of scummy 703s couldn't pay enough to keep people at their toxic operation. 200 grand to get yelled at by the chief pilot because one won't fly a bagged out king air with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm. I'm good thanks.

Disclaimer: no idea about PASCO. There's just a lot more to the story than pay

Duukar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:28 am This is definitely a lifestyle job on the Saab and a great time builder on the 1900.

You can't stay for one year to reap the benefits of not only paying off your bond but be a near shoe in at AC or WS or Porter with some good time on your resume from a reputable 705/704?

The requirements to get on are not out of synch with the pay. This type of flying is some of the most valuable experience a pilot can have and one year or more at Pasco will definitely set you up well for the future.

Yeah bonds suck, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. A lot of tough talk in here from pilots who aren't really in touch with reality. Pasco would be a great place to either get started or to end up if you want to spend a lot of time with your family.

Yea 40k gross is a steal in Vancouver, Victoria and even Nanaimo. And i assume as an FO you're the FA and ground crew as well lugging around 23kgs bags and cleaning some vomit if you're really unlucky. (More than welcome to get corrected if my assumption is wrong)

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:10 pm

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:57 pm

mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:20 pm But I’d suspect that Pasco can’t afford to pay their Saab/1900 pilots 200/yr - there’s just not enough money in their system. And, under the current hiring environment, people would still leave to go to AC/WJ because the lifetime potential is so much greater.

Nobody can afford it, until they have to.

Some might still leave, but with a 200k salary I am sure a lot would stick around. 703/704 ops can offer really great jobs if they want to (or have to)

Lots of scummy 703s couldn't pay enough to keep people at their toxic operation. 200 grand to get yelled at by the chief pilot because one won't fly a bagged out king air with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm. I'm good thanks.

Disclaimer: no idea about PASCO. There's just a lot more to the story than pay

Your biggest worry is flying a King Air without prop heat? You really do live up to your name.

redwing wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:46 pm

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:10 pm

digits_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:57 pm

Nobody can afford it, until they have to.

Some might still leave, but with a 200k salary I am sure a lot would stick around. 703/704 ops can offer really great jobs if they want to (or have to)

Lots of scummy 703s couldn't pay enough to keep people at their toxic operation. 200 grand to get yelled at by the chief pilot because one won't fly a bagged out king air with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm. I'm good thanks.

Disclaimer: no idea about PASCO. There's just a lot more to the story than pay

Your biggest worry is flying a King Air without prop heat? You really do live up to your name.

If you wanna fly any airplane with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm, have at it! I'll be in the crew room waiting for maintenance to return the plane to an appropriate level of airworthiness for the anticipated icing conditions. You must be one of those toxic managers that nobody wants to work for.

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:59 am

redwing wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:46 pm

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:10 pm

Lots of scummy 703s couldn't pay enough to keep people at their toxic operation. 200 grand to get yelled at by the chief pilot because one won't fly a bagged out king air with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm. I'm good thanks.

Disclaimer: no idea about PASCO. There's just a lot more to the story than pay

Your biggest worry is flying a King Air without prop heat? You really do live up to your name.

If you wanna fly any airplane with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm, have at it! I'll be in the crew room waiting for maintenance to return the plane to an appropriate level of airworthiness for the anticipated icing conditions. You must be one of those toxic managers that nobody wants to work for.

I've never been a manager in any operation. Define awful winter storm? Would slightly increasing prop rpm help mitigate that? Is prop heat really that effective on most of the KA's operating in Canada?

redwing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:52 pm

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:59 am

redwing wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:46 pm
Your biggest worry is flying a King Air without prop heat? You really do live up to your name.

If you wanna fly any airplane with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm, have at it! I'll be in the crew room waiting for maintenance to return the plane to an appropriate level of airworthiness for the anticipated icing conditions. You must be one of those toxic managers that nobody wants to work for.

I've never been a manager in any operation. Define awful winter storm? Would slightly increasing prop rpm help mitigate that? Is prop heat really that effective on most of the KA's operating in Canada?

This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve read in a long time. Congrats.

Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:07 pm

redwing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:52 pm

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:59 am

If you wanna fly any airplane with broken prop heat into an awful winter storm, have at it! I'll be in the crew room waiting for maintenance to return the plane to an appropriate level of airworthiness for the anticipated icing conditions. You must be one of those toxic managers that nobody wants to work for.

I've never been a manager in any operation. Define awful winter storm? Would slightly increasing prop rpm help mitigate that? Is prop heat really that effective on most of the KA's operating in Canada?

This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve read in a long time. Congrats.

Please explain

redwing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:33 pm

Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:07 pm

redwing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:52 pm

I've never been a manager in any operation. Define awful winter storm? Would slightly increasing prop rpm help mitigate that? Is prop heat really that effective on most of the KA's operating in Canada?

This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve read in a long time. Congrats.

Please explain

Telling people how to operate illegally and to slightly reduce the consequences of unsafe acts. Then also doing it on the internet for the world to hear your silliness. Also to suggest to impressionable youngsters on this forum that it's okay when there's several reasons it's not okay.

Yes, I've packed a ton of ice onto a king air. Yes the prop heat worked, no I'm not doing without working prop heat.

redwing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:52 pm I've never been a manager in any operation. Define awful winter storm? Would slightly increasing prop rpm help mitigate that? Is prop heat really that effective on most of the KA's operating in Canada?

For the future King Air drivers, this is how you deal with ice when your prop deice fails enroute. Don't plan to go flying into ice without serviceable prop deice.

Me262 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:05 am

Duukar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:28 am

Yea 40k gross is a steal in Vancouver, Victoria and even Nanaimo. And i assume as an FO you're the FA and ground crew as well lugging around 23kgs bags and cleaning some vomit if you're really unlucky. (More than welcome to get corrected if my assumption is wrong)

I Can't speak for the 1900.

On the Saab the only complaints from FOs are about the pay and the long duty days into long drives home.

The sched is good. The flying is fun and challenging. The experience is amazing for future flying jobs. We have FAs and CSRs and groomers at some destinations. Very limited over night trips.

My sched this month had me working 14 days and I took some overtime shifts as a result.

I've worked at a lot of companies over the years and Pasco has all the same problems every operation shares. It's literally inescapable.

To be honest its a pretty good place to work. As a guy who has been around the block I feel fairly confident pilots who want to be home more often will enjoy working here. If you enjoy the airline lifestyle with 3-5 day pairings I would probably take a pass.

Duukar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:57 am

Me262 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:05 am

Duukar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:28 am

Yea 40k gross is a steal in Vancouver, Victoria and even Nanaimo. And i assume as an FO you're the FA and ground crew as well lugging around 23kgs bags and cleaning some vomit if you're really unlucky. (More than welcome to get corrected if my assumption is wrong)

I Can't speak for the 1900.

On the Saab the only complaints from FOs are about the pay and the long duty days into long drives home.

The sched is good. The flying is fun and challenging. The experience is amazing for future flying jobs. We have FAs and CSRs and groomers at some destinations. Very limited over night trips.

My sched this month had me working 14 days and I took some overtime shifts as a result.

I've worked at a lot of companies over the years and Pasco has all the same problems every operation shares. It's literally inescapable.

To be honest its a pretty good place to work. As a guy who has been around the block I feel fairly confident pilots who want to be home more often will enjoy working here. If you enjoy the airline lifestyle with 3-5 day pairings I would probably take a pass.

If you wanted could you have all your days in a row with the minimum 1 day rest as required and have the remaining 12-14 off days in a row? How does the schedule bidding work?

Me262 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:04 am

Duukar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:57 am

Me262 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:05 am

Yea 40k gross is a steal in Vancouver, Victoria and even Nanaimo. And i assume as an FO you're the FA and ground crew as well lugging around 23kgs bags and cleaning some vomit if you're really unlucky. (More than welcome to get corrected if my assumption is wrong)

I Can't speak for the 1900.

On the Saab the only complaints from FOs are about the pay and the long duty days into long drives home.

The sched is good. The flying is fun and challenging. The experience is amazing for future flying jobs. We have FAs and CSRs and groomers at some destinations. Very limited over night trips.

My sched this month had me working 14 days and I took some overtime shifts as a result.

I've worked at a lot of companies over the years and Pasco has all the same problems every operation shares. It's literally inescapable.

To be honest its a pretty good place to work. As a guy who has been around the block I feel fairly confident pilots who want to be home more often will enjoy working here. If you enjoy the airline lifestyle with 3-5 day pairings I would probably take a pass.

If you wanted could you have all your days in a row with the minimum 1 day rest as required and have the remaining 12-14 off days in a row? How does the schedule bidding work?

I have same question

Any former Pacific Coastal Airlines employees are urged to check your ROE (Record of Employment) for the correct amount of insurable hours. It has been brought to CRA and Service Canada's attention that the credits had been used for insurable hours not the actual hours worked (scheduled or duty hours).

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... ned-8.html

Worker is not paid on an hourly basis

This would include situations where a worker receives a fixed weekly, monthly, or annual salary, is paid by commission, or is remunerated on a piecework basis, etc.

In situations where a worker is not paid on an hourly basis, the number of hours of insurable employment is determined as follows:

When an employer provides evidence of the number of hours worked by a worker, the hours worked are considered insurable hours. Evidence can include time sheets/cards, written contracts, and pay stubs.

According to the rules insurable hours are the hours actually worked not your credits. There is nothing that correlates credits to any number hours according to the information that I have. Please check your time sheets for Duty Hours (which is the hours worked) or refer to your schedules, this would be your insurable hours. The insurable hours makes a huge difference in EI benefits and number of weeks of entitlement.

Please make sure your insurable hours are correct and if not make sure to let Service Canada know when you make your EI claim.

Pasco started laying off people? Is it due to WJ link contract termination? They still say they hire on their website but I haven't seen any posts here lately.

Update to prior post:

From a reliable source I have heard that Pasco is going to fix any issues with Employee ROE's. Former employees are urged to contact their former managers at Pasco if they have issues with the insurable hours that were reported on the ROE.

Me262:
All CYYC employees associated with the Westjet Link operations were laidoff or transferred at the end of September 2024 when those operations were ended.

Me262 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:05 am [... And i assume as an FO you're the FA and ground crew as well lugging around 23kgs bags and cleaning some vomit if you're really unlucky. (More than welcome to get corrected if my assumption is wrong)

I can correct you on that. Pasco pilots in YVR show up 20 minutes before engine start, they check the load sheet, fuel load, and weather, and they walk downstairs to a fully boarded aircraft. They never touch a bag, they don't fuel, they have full ramp staff and cart starts at all their destinations. If they have a break between flights, they sit in a room with couches and tables and watch tv or chill out.

The pay sucks, and the bond sucks, but the job is pretty slack.

mmm...bacon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:30 am

PittBoss wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:59 pm Bonds are just unethical I say. Value your pilots and they will definitely stay.

Under a ‘normal’ job market, probably. Over the last 2 years of unprecedented growth, there is literally *Nothing* that a company like Pasco could have done, or afforded to do, to keep young pilots around. Nobody is going to stay at a job that tops out at ?$120k/yr? when AC or WJ come calling with their lifetime earning potential. I used to work at a small-ish 703/4 (Kingairs) carrier that had a bond. One of my co-workers got an offer from a 705 (B757) about 2 months after he’d completed his training. The salary raise at his new gig covered his bond. You could argue all you want about being a man of your word, but at the end of the day, he’s going to be way further ahead in his career with the heavy type and paycheque than he will be banging around in a KingAir.

How did your coworker get an offer with such low time? My coworker whose a long time king air training captain can’t seem to get an offer. Me being a newish king air captain I’m considering leaving industry due to hard work not being valued for hire at 705 operators.

KN84 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:24 am [
How did your coworker get an offer with such low time? My coworker whose a long time king air training captain can’t seem to get an offer. Me being a newish king air captain I’m considering leaving industry due to hard work not being valued for hire at 705 operators.

Look, "Gretchen", the bit is getting a little old. Can you give it a rest for a bit, let those creative juices marinate, and come back when you have a new schtick? The sad-sack King Air captain has run its course. Thanks!