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Post by the original tony »

just a quick question, anyone know if overtime is available to be flown?
just to supplement the lower salary most encounter for the first couple of years.
i know you can do max 2 per month, but are they actually available, or are there too many on rsv to be called?
thanks for any info

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Post by socrates »

It truly is a crapshot one month they called me on 5 of my days off to come in for overtime and the next month I received no calls.

So it really does depend on the month.

The salary is really a minum guarentee based on 75 hours a month. Once you're off reserve you are averaging 80 to 85 hours a month so the salary ends up being closer to $40 000 a year.

You'll be off reserve quicker if you get the dash out of YYZ or YUL.

The RJ might take 8 to 12 months before you're off reserve.
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Post by Bede »

socrates,

That all depends on hiring trends and movement. Right now the hiring is mostly dash. I was off reserve in 6 weeks.
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thanks for the info, hopefully the hiring continues at the same pace.
i'm fourth year cappy at my company now, got the get lost from AC and still debating the move, i did the sim and all a month ago or so, waiting and thinking.......
from here in, have the new hires kinda missed the boat on a half decent sched, or monthly pay? with all rsv and no perdiems the pay can get sort of low, or lower i guess.
any insight would be appreciated.

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Post by KAG »

there is still movment as some new hires are leaving for other companies after getting rejected from AC. There is also the global solution that is looking good, so you may be able to get onto AC that way. In 2009 there will be a pay raise or there will be a strike (I expect both). New contract in 2 years, passes, the chance at an AC interview, possible GS - you could do alot worse then Jazz.
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Post by bcflyer »

Two quick answers... First, never work a WDO, (also known as overtime) it screws everyone at the company. (take a minute and think about what happens when you work you day off and you'll understand) Second, if you are commuting you actually have to be there 2 hours before your check in, not 45 min as was previously stated.
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Post by prop2jet »

First, never work a WDO, (also known as overtime) it screws everyone at the company. (take a minute and think about what happens when you work you day off and you'll understand)
Never work a WDO???
If you are a newbee at Jazz, by all means work the WDO - just make sure you do not exceed what you are allowed to work within the framework of the Collective Agreement.

The fact is that if you pass off the WDO, crew sked will simply offer it to someone else, and if they can't find an FO, they call a Capt. If they can't find a Capt, they call a mgmt pilot. Newbees make shit wages, why not make a little extra if you have the means to do so?

BC... While I agree with the principle of what you are trying to say, the reality is something totally different. Ones own greed gets the better of them sometimes, and trust me, I have seen pleanty of Capt's working the FO seat on a WDO.

My advice would be... follow the rules of your collective agreement, don't break them to suit your personal needs, as that is what ultimately screws it up for everyone!
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Post by bobcaygeon »

Well put Prop2JET!!!

As long as management is still hiring pilots then WDO's are defintely not a problem. BCFLYER, managment had 26 newhires on one course in Jan. and have been hiring steady for +18 months. You can't really ask for more than that. There's no sim. time available at CAE. Do the WDO to get the flying done. A captain will always do it if FO's won't or even better for the company is if they get a Capt. on reserve cause then it costs them nothing. Trust me, they love to do that if they can.
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Post by bcflyer »

You're right. Greed definitely gets the better of some people. If the company really wanted to get more guys trained they could. They sent a bunch of training guys back on the line not that long ago. As for the 26 they hired in one month, thats only one groundschool course for the Dash and one for the RJ. Not a big deal. As for the WDO's go ahead and work them. Just don't come back whining about how there is no advancement at Jazz....
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bcflyer wrote:You're right. Greed definitely gets the better of some people. If the company really wanted to get more guys trained they could. They sent a bunch of training guys back on the line not that long ago. As for the 26 they hired in one month, thats only one groundschool course for the Dash and one for the RJ. Not a big deal. As for the WDO's go ahead and work them. Just don't come back whining about how there is no advancement at Jazz....
How does an new FO doing WDO to pay ther bills, delay upgrades??? It's a top wage capt.'s doing WDO that delays advancement. If a guy can't pay the bills on 100G then they should kick the coke habit. :lol:

The only advancement at jazz is right seat to left seat due to status pay. A senior FO is still just an FO.

PS 15-20 newhires a month is pretty reasonable in most peoples books
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Post by pilotbzh »

got a call 2 weeks ago not to go to work, Capt book off sick they couldn't find a capt for a stand up, they send the RJ up to YTS, you got to love the dash.....
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Post by Dark Helmet »

pilotbzh wrote:got a call 2 weeks ago not to go to work, Capt book off sick they couldn't find a capt for a stand up, they send the RJ up to YTS, you got to love the dash.....
Dude, the same thing happened to me too a while back, It was on a stand up to YYG
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Post by bobcaygeon »

Good to hear captains are holding the line!!! Hitting the pocket book is the only way MC + SL will open their eyes and upgrade guys. (Who cares about JR, he's just a xmas ornament picker outter now:)
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