To answer the engine care question.
There are 2 answers, one depends on the type of engine. The mainteanace manual will have what is needed to keep that particular model serviceable i.e. P&W,GE.
In my experience the minimum I have seen for short term storage, which this is is a an engine run at idle power every 7days. I have also seen as long as 30 days between runs. As for the engines spinning no damage done and covers are not essential they are only preventative.
The other answer is some companies have their own regs for short or long term storage. On Delta airlines an aircrfat must be run every 3 days if it has not flown.
After the engines are concerned there is the rest of the a/c to be considered, most maintenece manual will require that the a/c's tires be rolled every 7 days and tire pressures be done as well.
If the aircraft is not officially in storage it will continue to need a daily check each day and service checks as well to keep it airworthy.
I could go on and on. Basically you should see a mech out there at least once a week depending on what the status of that a/c is.
Hope this helps.
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Seems that the FAA has pulled the certificate for this plane as of July 18. Non compliance of maintenance and airworthiness directives.
Guess GPI is going to be hustling to make some bucks to get it back in the air...or they are going to fly it out of there thinking no one will know the difference.
Guess GPI is going to be hustling to make some bucks to get it back in the air...or they are going to fly it out of there thinking no one will know the difference.
747's permit to fly pulled
By Julio Gomes - The Chronicle-Journal
July 21, 2005
The Boeing 747 jet that arrived in Thunder Bay last week may be shrouded in mystery and trailing allegations of skipping out on its bills, but local airport officials aren’t yet worried they won’t see their money.
“It’s not the first airplane to land at the airport with a spotty history. That’s something that happens. This is now of (media) interest because it’s a larger airplane, but it’s not all that uncommon an occurrence,” Ed Schmidtke, manager of business development at Thunder Bay International Airport, said Wednesday.
A 747-SP (special performance) jumbo jet landed at the airport last Wednesday from Cincinnati. Dubbed Global Peace One, the aircraft is operated by Global Peace Initiative, a Houston-based humanitarian relief organization.
This type of aircraft has the ability to land on shorter runways than larger cargo or passenger jets. It’s the first 747 that Schmidtke’s seen land in Thunder Bay in his 15 years at the airport.
When it takes off is uncertain. The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has pulled its permit to fly on the basis of failing to comply with airworthiness directives and improper maintenance.
“The aircraft now has no legal basis on which to fly,” FAA spokesman Paul Turk confirmed Wednesday.
Transport Canada officials were unavailable for comment.
GPI was founded in 1999 by Dr. K.A. Paul, an India-born Christian evangelist who formed Gospel to the Unreached Millions in 1993 to organize rallies in Africa and the Indian subcontinent.
In March 2004, the refurbished 747-SP was turned over to GPI. Since then, it has flown to the Middle East and areas of southeast Asia ravaged by December’s tsunami.
One member of the flight crew said the plane made a recent visit to Syria and Libya with just Paul and an assistant on board.
“It was a giant waste of money,” Ann Meili told The Chronicle-Journal.
She works as a corporate flight attendant and served on six flights aboard Global Peace One. Her work allowed her to see the inner workings of Paul and GPI.
“They just don’t pay,” Meili said from her Florida home. “They owe me money, they owe my entire crew money, they owe their director of PR (public relations) money.”
On June 22, a lawsuit was filed in Los Angeles County alleging GPI and several of its officers breached a contract to fly 92 people to Poland for the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz and then to Israel for a week’s stay.
The lawsuit on behalf of the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces alleges they paid $800,000 for space on the 90-seat plane, but the flight didn’t take place. They are asking for more than $9 million in damages.
“Though GPI and (Gospel to the Unreached Millions) are ostensibly charitable organizations, they are merely conduits that permit monies from contributors and donors to flow to the individually named defendants, leaving the corporations without sufficient working capital to pay creditors,” the lawsuit claims.
None of the allegations have been proven in court.
Meili was to act as purser on that proposed flight. She said she has been privy to conference calls and e-mails involving Paul and GPI, and is concerned that Thunder Bay airport won’t be paid.
Global Peace One incurred a $2,800 fee to land in Thunder Bay and has been billed, Schmidtke said. If the plane stays the anticipated four weeks on the tarmac, it’ll rack up $2,000 in additional fees.
Schmidtke said airport officials will make every effort to collect the bill.
“We’re going to go every distance to make sure we get paid — guaranteed. That’s what we have to do,” he said. “But exactly how and where this finishes, I don’t know that.”
Repeated calls to Paul and a GPI spokesman have gone unanswered.
http://www.chroniclejournal.com/story.shtml?id=28157
By Julio Gomes - The Chronicle-Journal
July 21, 2005
The Boeing 747 jet that arrived in Thunder Bay last week may be shrouded in mystery and trailing allegations of skipping out on its bills, but local airport officials aren’t yet worried they won’t see their money.
“It’s not the first airplane to land at the airport with a spotty history. That’s something that happens. This is now of (media) interest because it’s a larger airplane, but it’s not all that uncommon an occurrence,” Ed Schmidtke, manager of business development at Thunder Bay International Airport, said Wednesday.
A 747-SP (special performance) jumbo jet landed at the airport last Wednesday from Cincinnati. Dubbed Global Peace One, the aircraft is operated by Global Peace Initiative, a Houston-based humanitarian relief organization.
This type of aircraft has the ability to land on shorter runways than larger cargo or passenger jets. It’s the first 747 that Schmidtke’s seen land in Thunder Bay in his 15 years at the airport.
When it takes off is uncertain. The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has pulled its permit to fly on the basis of failing to comply with airworthiness directives and improper maintenance.
“The aircraft now has no legal basis on which to fly,” FAA spokesman Paul Turk confirmed Wednesday.
Transport Canada officials were unavailable for comment.
GPI was founded in 1999 by Dr. K.A. Paul, an India-born Christian evangelist who formed Gospel to the Unreached Millions in 1993 to organize rallies in Africa and the Indian subcontinent.
In March 2004, the refurbished 747-SP was turned over to GPI. Since then, it has flown to the Middle East and areas of southeast Asia ravaged by December’s tsunami.
One member of the flight crew said the plane made a recent visit to Syria and Libya with just Paul and an assistant on board.
“It was a giant waste of money,” Ann Meili told The Chronicle-Journal.
She works as a corporate flight attendant and served on six flights aboard Global Peace One. Her work allowed her to see the inner workings of Paul and GPI.
“They just don’t pay,” Meili said from her Florida home. “They owe me money, they owe my entire crew money, they owe their director of PR (public relations) money.”
On June 22, a lawsuit was filed in Los Angeles County alleging GPI and several of its officers breached a contract to fly 92 people to Poland for the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz and then to Israel for a week’s stay.
The lawsuit on behalf of the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces alleges they paid $800,000 for space on the 90-seat plane, but the flight didn’t take place. They are asking for more than $9 million in damages.
“Though GPI and (Gospel to the Unreached Millions) are ostensibly charitable organizations, they are merely conduits that permit monies from contributors and donors to flow to the individually named defendants, leaving the corporations without sufficient working capital to pay creditors,” the lawsuit claims.
None of the allegations have been proven in court.
Meili was to act as purser on that proposed flight. She said she has been privy to conference calls and e-mails involving Paul and GPI, and is concerned that Thunder Bay airport won’t be paid.
Global Peace One incurred a $2,800 fee to land in Thunder Bay and has been billed, Schmidtke said. If the plane stays the anticipated four weeks on the tarmac, it’ll rack up $2,000 in additional fees.
Schmidtke said airport officials will make every effort to collect the bill.
“We’re going to go every distance to make sure we get paid — guaranteed. That’s what we have to do,” he said. “But exactly how and where this finishes, I don’t know that.”
Repeated calls to Paul and a GPI spokesman have gone unanswered.
http://www.chroniclejournal.com/story.shtml?id=28157
...so I'm in YQT right now....and I went over and had a look...
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Apparently there are buckets all around it because she dripping and leaking all over the ramp.
I'll try to get pictures 2moro morning.
What a sad looking a/c. However...
I'll take her over an Airbus ALL DAY LONG
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Apparently there are buckets all around it because she dripping and leaking all over the ramp.
I'll try to get pictures 2moro morning.
What a sad looking a/c. However...
I'll take her over an Airbus ALL DAY LONG
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uhhh, will a 47 be able to get outta yqt, the longest runway there is only like 6000 feet.
Wish I could see it though, that would be truely a beautiful site
No Man , they figured if the make it in (to YQT) they will just take the wings off and part the rest out...duh. Of course it can get out. Have you ever landed an aircraft at an airport you could not depart from????
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I have no idea what t/o distance it would need but I'm guessing the next destination will have to be pretty close.Have you ever landed an aircraft at an airport you could not depart from????
http://www.narita-airport.or.jp/ais/e/model/747.html
From that site on the post above it lists the required takeoff distance to be 7950 feet. For anyone with experience in this, how much range would they have to sacrifice to get off the ground? Or could they even do it?
I know someone used to fly 747's out of Regina's 7900 foot runway, but even then they had to restrict passenger loads and takeoff with only enough fuel to make Calgary, but Thunder Bay has only 6200 feet avaliable.
I know someone used to fly 747's out of Regina's 7900 foot runway, but even then they had to restrict passenger loads and takeoff with only enough fuel to make Calgary, but Thunder Bay has only 6200 feet avaliable.
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That link that is posted is for a 747-100 not an SP which, I believe, had different specs,
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That plane should have plenty of room... If it's lightly fueled it should get off with room to spare.
The 741 that was donated to the SAA museum in Rand allegedly managed to depart JNB using only about 3000 feet. Not sure if I believe that but...
Regardless, an SP can scoot. I would bet 5000-5500 feet would do the trick.
The 741 that was donated to the SAA museum in Rand allegedly managed to depart JNB using only about 3000 feet. Not sure if I believe that but...
Regardless, an SP can scoot. I would bet 5000-5500 feet would do the trick.
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well passed through tbay this week they seem to have turned it around so the wind out of the west isn't driveing the night fss guy up the wall with that tick ing of the turbine blades/ or more ramp space .here is a better idea since you all said the o/c is pulled . how about
a simulated crash- then the tactical squad storms it then gets caught on fire the airport fire dept gets to put the whole thing out and use the thing as a training aid. in lieu of parking fees.OK I was watching the Movie "airport" on the late show BUT HEY.
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The whole purpose of it's relocation is so that it can be used in lieu of wing covers. There is currently a Beech Skipper and a Piper Tomahawk sheltered under it and room for more. 
"The ability to ditch an airplane in the Hudson does not qualify a pilot for a pay raise. The ability to get the pilots, with this ability, to work for 30% or 40% pay cuts qualifies those in management for millions in bonuses."
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The owner is in India...am guessing that the landing and parking fees have not been paid. Liens on the plane outweigh the value!
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Every time this thread comes back to the top I'm thinkin' "it's gone!"... then I read and... ... I dunno who's gonna get it out of there, but from the look of things, and from what I recall, according to the charts, it'll need a sling shot to help it out....
I think those Canador folks might wind up with a fine addition to their inventory of toys to play with.
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Wait now... Thunder Bay Mitch, not North Bay! 
Oh well, whats a few hundred miles between friends?
... I dunno who's gonna get it out of there, but from the look of things, and from what I recall, according to the charts, it'll need a sling shot to help it out.... I think those Canador folks might wind up with a fine addition to their inventory of toys to play with.
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Wait now... Thunder Bay Mitch, not North Bay! Oh well, whats a few hundred miles between friends?-
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She's outta there
Well, so much for the argument about whether you can get a 747SP out of YQT... Looks like they did it... And took it on a fairly long trip at that... Down to Tijuana...
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Re: She's outta there
yep I guess they are still doing everything they can to keep it out of the USAchazzerguy wrote:Well, so much for the argument about whether you can get a 747SP out of YQT... Looks like they did it... And took it on a fairly long trip at that... Down to Tijuana...
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The 747SP was designed for long range...I don't think Thunder Bay - Tijuana counts as a "fairly long trip"!
"The ability to ditch an airplane in the Hudson does not qualify a pilot for a pay raise. The ability to get the pilots, with this ability, to work for 30% or 40% pay cuts qualifies those in management for millions in bonuses."
Familiar 747 plane awaits servicing
By The Chronicle-Journal
Dec 31, 2005, 00:23
The Boeing 747 jet that was an object of curiosity at the Thunder Bay airport this summer is reportedly in northern Mexico, awaiting some tender loving care.
According to various sources, the Global Peace Ambassadors jumbo left Thunder Bay on Dec. 16 and arrived in Tijuana, Mexico to undergo servicing at a heavy maintenance facility.
The contract pilot who flew the plane into Thunder Bay and oversaw its journey to Mexico said the 94-seat aircraft will receive a tune-up.
“The plane, as you know by now, is basking in the warmth in Mexico. It is at a maintenance facility where it will get the loving care that it deserves,” Capt. Ron Greene told The Chronicle-Journal by e-mail correspondence.
He’s out on assignment elsewhere for the next few weeks and unavailable for further comment.
The 23-year-old refurbished 747-SP jet is operated by Global Peace Initiative, a Houston, Tex.-based humanitarian relief organization. In the wake of the December 2004 tsunami in southeast Asia, the aircraft was dispatched to India with American aid workers to help with relief efforts. However, a news report said the flight left a week late due to funding woes and a fuel system problem with the jet.
Since then, the plane — dubbed Global Peace One — has been the subject of controversy.
A Los Angeles-area Jewish group filed a $9-million lawsuit in June, alleging it had arrangements with GPI to use the aircraft to get to Israel, following a stopover in Krakow, Poland to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp.
They contend their trip was cancelled when the passengers arrived at the airport, and that their $800,000 up-front payment was not refunded.
The lawsuit by the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces names evangelist K.A. Paul and his Gospel to the Unreached Millions as defendants.
None of the allegations have yet been proven in court.
The jet, a “Special Performance” model that can take off and land on shorter runways, was flown into Thunder Bay on July 13 from Cincinnati.
In an earlier interview, Greene said he recommended Thunder Bay to GPI officials as a place where they could “park the aircraft in a quiet place for a period of time.” He is originally from Wisconsin and was familiar with Canadian customs and immigration issues.
Shortly after it landed, though, a former flight attendant told The Chronicle-Journal the reason the plane had to be flown out of the U.S. was to “avoid having it seized.”
Five days after landing in Thunder Bay, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration suspended the aircraft’s operating certificate on several grounds, including allegations it was not maintained properly.
The plane finally left Thunder Bay five months later.
Tijuana is a resort city of 1.3 million people on the Baja peninsula, a 20-minute drive south of San Diego, Calif. Tijuana International Airport is located right across the street from a fence that separates Mexico and the United States.
By The Chronicle-Journal
Dec 31, 2005, 00:23
The Boeing 747 jet that was an object of curiosity at the Thunder Bay airport this summer is reportedly in northern Mexico, awaiting some tender loving care.
According to various sources, the Global Peace Ambassadors jumbo left Thunder Bay on Dec. 16 and arrived in Tijuana, Mexico to undergo servicing at a heavy maintenance facility.
The contract pilot who flew the plane into Thunder Bay and oversaw its journey to Mexico said the 94-seat aircraft will receive a tune-up.
“The plane, as you know by now, is basking in the warmth in Mexico. It is at a maintenance facility where it will get the loving care that it deserves,” Capt. Ron Greene told The Chronicle-Journal by e-mail correspondence.
He’s out on assignment elsewhere for the next few weeks and unavailable for further comment.
The 23-year-old refurbished 747-SP jet is operated by Global Peace Initiative, a Houston, Tex.-based humanitarian relief organization. In the wake of the December 2004 tsunami in southeast Asia, the aircraft was dispatched to India with American aid workers to help with relief efforts. However, a news report said the flight left a week late due to funding woes and a fuel system problem with the jet.
Since then, the plane — dubbed Global Peace One — has been the subject of controversy.
A Los Angeles-area Jewish group filed a $9-million lawsuit in June, alleging it had arrangements with GPI to use the aircraft to get to Israel, following a stopover in Krakow, Poland to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp.
They contend their trip was cancelled when the passengers arrived at the airport, and that their $800,000 up-front payment was not refunded.
The lawsuit by the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces names evangelist K.A. Paul and his Gospel to the Unreached Millions as defendants.
None of the allegations have yet been proven in court.
The jet, a “Special Performance” model that can take off and land on shorter runways, was flown into Thunder Bay on July 13 from Cincinnati.
In an earlier interview, Greene said he recommended Thunder Bay to GPI officials as a place where they could “park the aircraft in a quiet place for a period of time.” He is originally from Wisconsin and was familiar with Canadian customs and immigration issues.
Shortly after it landed, though, a former flight attendant told The Chronicle-Journal the reason the plane had to be flown out of the U.S. was to “avoid having it seized.”
Five days after landing in Thunder Bay, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration suspended the aircraft’s operating certificate on several grounds, including allegations it was not maintained properly.
The plane finally left Thunder Bay five months later.
Tijuana is a resort city of 1.3 million people on the Baja peninsula, a 20-minute drive south of San Diego, Calif. Tijuana International Airport is located right across the street from a fence that separates Mexico and the United States.
