BOEING 747SP IN THUNDER BAY!

[AEROMONKEY]

Why would there be a b747 in thunder bay? apparently here for 1 month to park it for the cheap landing fees? Global Peace ambassadors isn on the side the tail is N4522v it came from Cincinati ....are they hiding it??

[hazatude]

It's gotta be the Illuminati.

[Redneck_pilot86]

Quite a sight to see sitting there when you come in....went to Dryden and came back to ffind that sitting on the apron....sure are big a/c. Especially compared to teh 172 lol.

[teacher]

Last time I saw that thing it was in Caracus.

[Flightstar]

You bet they are hiding..I think they are trying to get away from all the trouble they are in back in the US.

[AEROMONKEY]

who has details?

[undashflyer]

I was on the most recent flight and this is what has come down the line from the f/a mgr.

"they are indeed hiding...to escape the FAA and DOT..."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mp ... an/3255693

http://www.747sp.com/NewsDetail.asp?id=29
With this last post I would like to note that NO members of the cabin crew refused to fly onboard or walked off the a/c.

[Flightstar]

I have lots of details but am guessing that the FAA in Harrisburg Pennsylvania has a lot more. There seem to be several liens on the plan...probaly to the tune of more than the plane is worth. This should be interesting....

[AEROMONKEY]

hey you guys are right it doesn't take long to find stories about that on the net.....the plane was moments from bein grounded and apparently this was the closest place out of the country to get it too before that hppened....thats kinda kewl....i happen to know that the company called the shell very late yesterday to make arrangements to bring the plane here today....i really hope somebody informs the maintair shell guys that they dont have a hope in hell at gettin paid for anything... cheers

[flyinhigh]

uhhh, will a 47 be able to get outta yqt, the longest runway there is only like 6000 feet.
Wish I could see it though, that would be truely a beautiful site

[desksgo]

uhhh, will a 47 be able to get outta yqt, the longest runway there is only like 6000 feet.
Wish I could see it though, that would be truely a beautiful site

An SP with a moderate load? Fo' Shizzle, ma Nizzle.

[Flightstar]

This is a bad bad organization with a really questionable cast of characters.

[Spinner]

just a history lesson taken from airliners.net when this aircraft belonged to China Airlines. (don't blame me for accuracy just quoting)

On 19 Feb 1985 it was at FL410 over the Pacific Ocean on its way from Taipei to LA, when it lost power on engine nr.4. After disconnecting the autopilot it went into an uncontrolled dive, made a full 360 degrees aileron roll, and became supersonic for a short time. It recovered at 9000 feet. In the process it lost 11 feet of the left stabilizer, the whole elevator and 5 feet from the right stabiliser, also the APU separated from its mount. It was repaired, seen here 8 years later.

[CD]

just a history lesson taken from airliners.net when this aircraft belonged to China Airlines. (don't blame me for accuracy just quoting)

On 19 Feb 1985 it was at FL410 over the Pacific Ocean on its way from Taipei to LA, when it lost power on engine nr.4. After disconnecting the autopilot it went into an uncontrolled dive, made a full 360 degrees aileron roll, and became supersonic for a short time. It recovered at 9000 feet. In the process it lost 11 feet of the left stabilizer, the whole elevator and 5 feet from the right stabiliser, also the APU separated from its mount. It was repaired, seen here 8 years later.

Here is some more information from the NTSB database on this incident:

While above a cloud layer (top at FL 370) near the jet stream, autopilot was engaged & was in the performance management system (PMS) mode. The PMS provided pitch guidance to hold FL 410, roll guidance to ailerons & spoilers for roll control & autothrottle to maintain .85 mach (254 KIAS). Aircraft encountered clear air turbulence & airspeed began to vary between .84 & .88 mach. PMS began moving throttles fore & aft to hold .85 mach. During autothrottle adjustments, #4 engine thrust decrease & 'hung' at approximately 1.0 EPR & airspeed began decreasing. Flight engineer attempted to manually recover the #4 engine thrust, but did not close the bleed air valve before adjusting the #4 throttle. The #4 engine remained at approximately 1.0 EPR. As the aircraft slowed, the autopilot trimmed to hold altitude and heading until the pilot disengaged it. At that time, the aircraft rolled/yawed right and entered an uncontrolled descent into the clouds. As it broke out of the clouds at 11,000', crew recovered and levelled at 9500'. During descent/recoverey, aircraft was damaged by accelleration forces & hi speed. There was evidence the pilot was preoccupied with engine problem, didn't monitor instruments & over-relied on autopilot.

Narrative from another database:

Remarks:
The flight from Taipei to about 300 nmi northwest of San Francisco was uneventful and the airplane was flying at about 41,000 feet mean sea level when the No. 4 engine lost power. During the attempt to recover and restore normal power on the No. 4 engine, the airplane rolled to the right, nosed over, and entered an uncontrollable descent. The captain was unable to restore the airplane to stable flight until it had descended to 9,500 feet. After the captain stabilized the airplane, he elected to divert to San Francisco International Airport, where a safe landing was made. Although the airplane suffered major structural damage during the upset, descent, and subsequent recovery, only two persons among the 274 passengers and crew on board were injured seriously. The maximum vertical acceleration forces recorded during the descent were 4.8Gs and 5.1Gs as the airplane descended through 30,552 feet and 19,083 feet, respectively.

PROBABLE CAUSE:
"The captain's preoccupation with an inflight malfunction and his failure to monitor properly the airplane's flight instruments which resulted in his losing control of the airplane. Contributing to the accident was the captain's over-reliance on the autopilot after the loss of thrust on the No.4 engine."

[teacher]

Anybody have any pictures?

[Flightstar]

A local radio station did an interview with a couple GPI folks. Two different sides of the story and the FAA and DHS are not talking!!!

[CD]

Low-cost stopover for 747

By Staff - The Chronicle-Journal
July 14, 2005

A Boeing 747 will be towering over the runway at Thunder Bay International Airport for the next few weeks.

The largest plane in memory to land at the airport flew from Cincinnati and touched down in Thunder Bay around 7 p.m. Wednesday, drawing curious onlookers eager to take photos or catch a glimpse. Several city residents, some almost breathless, called The Chronicle-Journal newsroom with the tip that the big plane was landing.

The plane belongs to Global Peace Initiative, a relief organization that helps people struck by humanitarian and disasters.

Dubbed Global Peace One, the refurbished Boeing 747-SP has 99 first-class seats, a conference area and sleeping quarters, according to the organization’s website.

The plane is generally used for international relief efforts. While aid workers travel through the United States for the next month, the plane will stay in Thunder Bay as a cost-saving measure, said Ryan Mazurski, a Shell worker on the crew that refuelled the plane Wednesday.

Thunder Bay was chosen because it was an inexpensive location, Mazurski said.

The arrival of Global Peace One posed some challenges for the airport.

“We don’t have a ladder big enough to get in there,” Mazurski said.

Passengers on board left the plane through an avionics compartment under the front row of passenger seats, through the floor behind the nose cone, he said.

Other than that, there were no complications with the flight’s arrival.

The plane will continue on to new overseas missions once it leaves Thunder Bay.

[Flightstar]

Someone better notify the folks at the airport that these people have NO MONEY. They will not get paid unless they bill now!! They have not paid their crews for the last trip and there are already liens on the plane for unpaid bills...Boeing is included in the long list.

[water wings]

i'm going to open up a restaurant/dance club on that thing.
Massages on the upper deck and paint ball touneys in the cargo holds. Rent out the lavs on an hourly basis , and have a flight sim in the cockpit and sell time on it to all the colleges who will be pleased as punch to have a 747 check out to add to their wonderful training.
looking for shareholders, a masseuse and DJs. call me.

[talkinghead]

Question 4 you Boeing drivers.
How long can you let the engine sit and wind-mill, before you start to get some type of damage (if any)?
That thing is sitting there with NO intake covers, you can hear all 4 engines click/clanking away in the wind, 24/7.

[Jet Dog]

http://www.747sp.com/History.asp?22805

History of said 747, that engine failure was the 3rd in 5 days for china airlines

[water wings]

here's a thought... that thing has been sitting outside in the T-Bay temperatures of 30+ humidity... do you think they had the lavs emptied before hand? yucky.

[Flightstar]

Knowing these people as well as I do, my guess is that they forgot to do that! When the plane was recently on the ground in Mumbai, not only did they forget to service the lavs, they did not take off the food....when the next crew got the plane there were maggots all over the galley!!

[someguy2]

Question 4 you Boeing drivers.
How long can you let the engine sit and wind-mill, before you start to get some type of damage (if any)?
That thing is sitting there with NO intake covers, you can hear all 4 engines click/clanking away in the wind, 24/7.

Long time. I don't thing any damage occurs when the intake blades spin, some of our B747's sit weeks without any kind of cover. In fact, I have never seen a cover on a B747 engine. (not saying there aren't any - just never seen it)

[Babel Fish]

here's a thought... that thing has been sitting outside in the T-Bay temperatures of 30+ humidity... do you think they had the lavs emptied before hand? yucky.

You might want to check that out before you start renting them out by the hour...cool idea about the club/bar/rub'ntug...if things work out, just keep flying west...it's never last call!!