Lying about time

[Cat Driver]

michaelP:

My use of Thailand was not meant to demean the country, I used it only in the context of the sickos who exploit the children there....and the fact that it has gotten so much media coverage.

If it was up to me I would do what the Saudis do to their sickos, I would behead them in public.

[THEICEMAN]

They looked at my logbook in the interview. How is it I should bring it up if they didn't catch it. I don't think its that easy to catch people. Worked for me, and I know im not the only one whos flying airlines with bs time in their book.

Is he for serious or just joking around??

TC in my area has started a little campaign to fight this. They are passing audits at many flight schools & 702s/703s.....my boss got the visit last week & they looked at everything!

Recently a whole TC team just visited my old school & hit the books! They were comparing all the journey logbooks with old & newer PTRs! I think they even asked some students to open their personal books?
The inspectors were going line by line.....

[C-GGGQ]

Never falsified my logbook, my resume is rounded off to the nearest 5 since i don't want to count it up. besides 1257.4 just looks dumb might as well put 1260. Never changed it more than the nearest 5 though, and only on my resume, my log would say 1257.4

[Pile-it]

I've seen some assholes get caught. Once they're found out someone always drops a dime and their reputations are shot to hell. A thing of beauty...

[trey kule]

Iceman wrote:

TC in my area has started a little campaign to fight this. They are passing audits at many flight schools & 702s/703s.....my boss got the visit last week & they looked at everything!

Recently a whole TC team just visited my old school & hit the books! They were comparing all the journey logbooks with old & newer PTRs! I think they even asked some students to open their personal books?
The inspectors were going line by line.....

That is really a good thing to hear about. Hope it works at ferreting them out.

STL wrote regarding type endorsements like helicopters. I think it is a good idea. Done in most other countries, BUT...it means more TC involvement or turning over the endorsement rides to DFTI's or whatever you call them. Maybe something for another thread?

[Northern Skies]

By lying about your time are you not stealing an honest pilots job?

BINGO!!!

[MrWings]

The guy was a bald faced liar...please explain what leap I'm taking with that guy?

Yes the guy die lie. No argument.

But you say because he told this one lie he will be stealing from his employer next. Those are two separate and unrelated things.

If you told your wife that you liked her new dress when it actually made her look fat, you told a lie. Does that mean you will end up cheating on her because you hate her looks and are a worthless dishonest individual because of that one lie?

I'm saying that one lie the guy told to get a much needed job does not make him a habitual liar.

[Cat Driver]

I'm saying that one lie the guy told to get a much needed job does not make him a habitual liar.

Explain that to every honest pilot he stole the job from, you are defending the indefensible here MrWings.

I never said he " WOULD " steal from his employer, however how many here would trust him?

I wouldn't.

[MrWings]

I never said he " WOULD " steal from his employer

The way I see it is if he will steal from his fellow pilots he will steal from his employer.

[sky's the limit]

I knew a guy with thousands of hours who only wanted to fly for Kelowna Flight Craft - catch was, he had 450hrs Multi, waited for YEARS as the poor bastard was stuck on the Caravan..... KFC required 500hrs Multi at the time.


stl

[MichaelP]

STL wrote regarding type endorsements like helicopters. I think it is a good idea.

Like that's going to work...
Would I have to pay a fee to have each type put on my licence?
Should I declare myself bankrupt now?

Aero Commander 112. Aeronca 11AC Chief. AJEP-Wittman Tailwind. Antonov AN2. ARV Super 2 (Hewland). Auster J1 Autocrat, J1N, J5G Autocar, J5P Autocar, J5Q Alpine, Mark V, Auster MK6, ATEC Zephyr 2000.

Beagle Auster A61 Terrier, Beagle121 Pup 100, 121 srs 2 Pup 150, Beagle/SA Bulldog. Beech 19 Musketeer, C23 Sundowner, B55 Baron, B76 Duchess. Bellanca 7GCBC Citabria, 8KAC Decathlon, Blanik L13, Boeing Stearman PT17 (220 Continental, and R985). Bücker BÜ131B (Hirth HM 504, and APM 150) Jungmann. CASA 131 Jungmann (Tigre 125, and 150).

Cessna: 120, 140, 150, 152, 170, 172 (A, M-R, 180 CSU), R172K Hawk XP, 172SP, 180, 182, 185, 195A (R755S), Cessna TU206G (on Wheels and on Wipline Amphibious Floats), Cessna 172 Floatplane. Champion 7ECA Citabria, Christen Eagle II.

De Havilland DH82A Tiger Moth and Rollason Super Tiger Moth (Deacon), DH94 Moth Minor, DHC1 Chipmunk (21,22, CDN -B2). Diamond DA20 Katana & DA20-C1, DA40-180. Druine D61 Turbi.

Erco Ercoupe, Evektor Sportstar

Fantasy Air Allegro, Fleet 80 Canuck. Fournier RF4D (39HP Limbach VW). Fuji FA200-160 Aero Subaru,

Gardan GY20 Minicab, GY30 Supercab, GY80 Horizon. Grob 115. Grumman AA5, and AA5A.

Jodel: 119, 105A & 1050 (Ambassadeur), 1050M (Excellence), 150 (Mascaret), 140B Mousquetaire II and III.

Kitfox II & IV.

Luton Minor, Luscombe 8F on EDO Floats.

Maule M5-235, Maule M4 - 210, Mooney M21, Mooney M20K (-231), Mooney M20J (201), Morane Saulnier MS880B Rallye Club. Mudry CAP10B. Murphy Rebel (0-320, and 0-235).

Pazmany PL4A. Pietenpol Aircamper, Piper: J3, L21-135, L4, L4-100 (0-200), PA18-150 (Cubs), PA22-160 Pacer, PA23-250 Aztec E, Piper PA24-250 Commanche, PA28-140, PA28-180, PA28-151, PA28-161, PA28-181 (Cherokee, Warrior, Archer), PA28-200R Arrow II + III, PA32-300 Cherokee Six, PA34-200 Seneca 1, PA34-200T Seneca II, PA38 Tomahawk. Pitts S2A.

Robin Jodel DR221. Robin 3000. Rollason: Druine D31 Turbulent, D62B Condor, D62C Condor.

SA102 Cavalier. Sipa 903, Schleicher K13, Slingsby T21 Sedbergh, Slingsby T67A, T67M Firefly. SNCAN (Nord) 1203 Norecrin (160 Regnier), Nord 858. SNCAN Stampe SV4A, SV4B, SV4C. Sopwith Pup Scout 80HP Le Rhone rotary. Speed Twin. Stolp Starlet.

Taylocraft BL65 (Lyc 0-145), Tecnam P92-JS.

Vans RV4 (150 and 180), Vans RV6 and RV6A.

WAR FW 190. Wassmer WA51A Pacific, WA52 Europa.

Yak 52.

Zenair 200

[sky's the limit]

Huh?

I don't pay anything for the endorsements to be put on my license. Series are lumped together, but not types.

Nice to see you're so open to suggestions....

So are these all aircraft you've seen in person, or just read about? How can I be sure you're not lying.... Sorry, couldn't resist.


stl

STL wrote regarding type endorsements like helicopters. I think it is a good idea.

Like that's going to work...
Would I have to pay a fee to have each type put on my licence?
Should I declare myself bankrupt now?

Aero Commander 112. Aeronca 11AC Chief. AJEP-Wittman Tailwind. Antonov AN2. ARV Super 2 (Hewland). Auster J1 Autocrat, J1N, J5G Autocar, J5P Autocar, J5Q Alpine, Mark V, Auster MK6, ATEC Zephyr 2000.

Beagle Auster A61 Terrier, Beagle121 Pup 100, 121 srs 2 Pup 150, Beagle/SA Bulldog. Beech 19 Musketeer, C23 Sundowner, B55 Baron, B76 Duchess. Bellanca 7GCBC Citabria, 8KAC Decathlon, Blanik L13, Boeing Stearman PT17 (220 Continental, and R985). Bücker BÜ131B (Hirth HM 504, and APM 150) Jungmann. CASA 131 Jungmann (Tigre 125, and 150).

Cessna: 120, 140, 150, 152, 170, 172 (A, M-R, 180 CSU), R172K Hawk XP, 172SP, 180, 182, 185, 195A (R755S), Cessna TU206G (on Wheels and on Wipline Amphibious Floats), Cessna 172 Floatplane. Champion 7ECA Citabria, Christen Eagle II.

De Havilland DH82A Tiger Moth and Rollason Super Tiger Moth (Deacon), DH94 Moth Minor, DHC1 Chipmunk (21,22, CDN -B2). Diamond DA20 Katana & DA20-C1, DA40-180. Druine D61 Turbi.

Erco Ercoupe, Evektor Sportstar

Fantasy Air Allegro, Fleet 80 Canuck. Fournier RF4D (39HP Limbach VW). Fuji FA200-160 Aero Subaru,

Gardan GY20 Minicab, GY30 Supercab, GY80 Horizon. Grob 115. Grumman AA5, and AA5A.

Jodel: 119, 105A & 1050 (Ambassadeur), 1050M (Excellence), 150 (Mascaret), 140B Mousquetaire II and III.

Kitfox II & IV.

Luton Minor, Luscombe 8F on EDO Floats.

Maule M5-235, Maule M4 - 210, Mooney M21, Mooney M20K (-231), Mooney M20J (201), Morane Saulnier MS880B Rallye Club. Mudry CAP10B. Murphy Rebel (0-320, and 0-235).

Pazmany PL4A. Pietenpol Aircamper, Piper: J3, L21-135, L4, L4-100 (0-200), PA18-150 (Cubs), PA22-160 Pacer, PA23-250 Aztec E, Piper PA24-250 Commanche, PA28-140, PA28-180, PA28-151, PA28-161, PA28-181 (Cherokee, Warrior, Archer), PA28-200R Arrow II + III, PA32-300 Cherokee Six, PA34-200 Seneca 1, PA34-200T Seneca II, PA38 Tomahawk. Pitts S2A.

Robin Jodel DR221. Robin 3000. Rollason: Druine D31 Turbulent, D62B Condor, D62C Condor.

SA102 Cavalier. Sipa 903, Schleicher K13, Slingsby T21 Sedbergh, Slingsby T67A, T67M Firefly. SNCAN (Nord) 1203 Norecrin (160 Regnier), Nord 858. SNCAN Stampe SV4A, SV4B, SV4C. Sopwith Pup Scout 80HP Le Rhone rotary. Speed Twin. Stolp Starlet.

Taylocraft BL65 (Lyc 0-145), Tecnam P92-JS.

Vans RV4 (150 and 180), Vans RV6 and RV6A.

WAR FW 190. Wassmer WA51A Pacific, WA52 Europa.

Yak 52.

Zenair 200

[Cat Driver]

I'd need a wheel barrow to carry the paper to write them on..

By the way you have flown some neat machines M.P.

[MichaelP]

I flew in a time and a country where there were so many funny aeroplanes to fly.
I feel sorry for the people here faced with a sea of aluminium carriages with training wheels and not much go...

...So of course I'm doing something about it.

Sky Wolfe got her first taste of tailwheel the other day, she gets to add a new type in her logbook and some time with a lot more meaning.
We had fun
And here you'll get to fly plastic, and perhaps something more.

But don't lie in your logbook, or come here with an inflated ego, I have remedies for such things

[Cat Driver]

What tail wheel airplane was it?

Here is a real neat one:

http://www.thatchercx4.com/

[MichaelP]

It looks like a cross between a Turbulent and a Taylor Titch.
The VW engine was designed for an aeroplane and modified for a car, it's still a very good aeroplane engine and many variants (excuse the pun) are certified!

The Turbulents I flew were mostly certified aeroplanes with certified Ardem 4CO2 (VW) engines, Minimum Crew: 1 Pilot.
The CAA discovered after many years that when it snowed these Turbulents were mysteriously still flying even landing at Biggin Hill and places that were closed due to that snow....
At the Boat Show in London's Earls Court, Michael Jones looked at water ski blanks that were for sale and had a brainwave... They'd make excellent snow skis for the Turbs...
Of course these skis were not approved!
The CAA were slightly annoyed about this and sent their test pilot down on the first snowy day to test fly the certified Turbulent with these as yet uncertified skis.
All was well, and the Turbulent with these skis was certified, even in the Public Transport Category!

Can you imagine what TC would say if we put home made skis on our OC aeroplanes?

Water skis and perhaps modified snow boards would make excellent skis for light aircraft.

I used to fly this Turbulent, and so did Prince Philip:


Michael woz here!

[sky's the limit]

I flew in a time and a country where there were so many funny aeroplanes to fly.
I feel sorry for the people here faced with a sea of aluminium carriages with training wheels and not much go...

...So of course I'm doing something about it.

Sky Wolfe got her first taste of tailwheel the other day, she gets to add a new type in her logbook and some time with a lot more meaning.
We had fun
And here you'll get to fly plastic, and perhaps something more.

But don't lie in your logbook, or come here with an inflated ego, I have remedies for such things

That's fantastic Micheal,

It's so nice to see someone who's passionate about flying different types, regardless of size or so called 'wow factor.' You've got some interesting bits in that list.

Nice picture by the way,

stl

[Cat Driver]

Agreed STL, the guy has flown some real neat stuff.

I hope he does well with his new school.

[ever]

I got a question for you guys, lets say a person .1 his float time in the company logbook all summer, but .2 in his own personal logbook. Is this considered lying or "padding". Each leg your more than likely on the water for .2 but when your givin er all day you dont wanna bust your duty times and therfore .1 your time. I know transport will more than likely not agree with this, but what about insurance companies.

[sky's the limit]

I got a question for you guys, lets say a person .1 his float time in the company logbook all summer, but .2 in his own personal logbook. Is this considered lying or "padding". Each leg your more than likely on the water for .2 but when your givin er all day you dont wanna bust your duty times and therfore .1 your time. I know transport will more than likely not agree with this, but what about insurance companies.

This is exactly why hours are such a poor method of assessing pilot competency.

Not directed at you Ever, but who the F&^*K cares? You can either fly the machine or you can't, any potential employer should be more interested in taking you for a spin to see if you can indeed do what you claim.

stl

[Cat Driver]

]This is exactly why hours are such a poor method of assessing pilot competency.

Not directed at you Ever, but who the F&^*K cares? You can either fly the machine or you can't, any potential employer should be more interested in taking you for a spin to see if you can indeed do what you claim.[/quote]


What is really going to improve your career is having your last employer tell your future employer they just hated to lose you.

[ever]

I hear you STL but when you have 450 hrs of float time at .1 and 510 at .2, all of a sudden Im over that magic 500hr mark the insurance companies love and Im that much better of a pilot "apparently" according to them. I was just curious if some one was to do this, does this make them a liar.

[Cat Driver]

Ever:

Time is logged in two separate ways.

Flight time:

The time from when the aircraft first moves under its own power until it comes to a stop when you park or dock it.


Air time:

The time from the point the aircraft leaves the surface of the earth until it lands.

Air time is used for engine, airframe and component time.


Flight time is what the pilot logs.

You can and should keep track of each segment of flight on each trip so you can log the optimum time for time building.

Have fun and don't wreck the fuc.in thing looking at your watch.

Your mentor and friend....Cat.

[sky's the limit]

Cat,

If you continue to post such mindless, negative, bitter drivel, I'm going to have to pull all your posts!! Can't you write anything constructive for the younger members of this forum????? 9203 posts that are totally useless to those trying to learn something, man, the audacity of it all.

Ooops, wrong thread... My bad



stl(lmfao)

[Cat Driver]

Sorry, every once in a while I have lucid moments and actually care about these young uns and want to see them succeed.

I'll try and be more negative and bitter and discouraged in the future.

I was going to say I'd give both my nuts to be their age again..then suddenly realized that would be stupid, what kind of a life would that be.