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Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:31 am
by sheephunter
As far as I know or understand, all the mogas is premium for the reason it has to last a year once delivered. I could be wrong but know absolutely 100% that I have never had a problem with it in generators or outboard motors or in the 0-470. Filtering is essention in that I use it out of drums for the most part and want to more than anything eliminate sedimate accumulated in the drum. Water is why you have sumps. I feel that with mogas that carb ice is more previlent but deal with it accordingly. In some conditions it really sucks and causes fuel economy but not to the point that you are not still saving money nor taking great risks with your life. The part about booze is discretion. Yes, if you are an outright idiot you can get in tons of trouble but if you are discrete and you know where you are money will not be appreciated as much as a bottle of scotch, well, it can save you tons of money and the courtesy on the return flight might be just a shade above awesome. Now, if you figure on getting the entire community drunk, taking advantage of all the young females and leaving in the morning... yeah, you're gonna be in the bad books for sure and that is not what I am trying to get across. Stop at a camp somewhere or in town and have to deal with a fueler after hours and he is not getting anyting out of the $125.00 being charged to you for the outcall and he might be very appreciative of a small bottle and for sure he will remember you on the return flight. Hey, I would. Worse case scenario, drink it yourself because if you don't take it, you won't have it.

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:15 am
by SuperchargedRS
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Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:59 am
by sheephunter
1 keg of whiskey, 1 keg of fuel.

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:09 am
by Edo
With all the MOGAS comments, someone should really be talking about the ethanol blended fuels.
I dont run mogas but remember seeing printed material on what it can do to rubber seals and bladders. If I recall below 10% ethanol and it didnt have to be marked as ethanol blended. There are a couple of easy ways to test it, but again i just cant remember enough off the top of my head.
If the original poster is considering this even for just a splash to top up its good info to have. Anyone have the TC circular handy?

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:23 am
by digits_
Edo wrote: If the original poster is considering this even for just a splash to top up its good info to have. Anyone have the TC circular handy?
Too be honest, I have no idea. I am feeling a bit uneasy to try this on flights over such an isolated area. So I'll probably stick to 100% avgas. But might be nice to get more information.

In any case: modifications to the airplane are not possible, so any solution requiring this, are not usefull for me :wink:

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:58 am
by Rudder Bug
Here is an easy trick to test your Mogas with your fuel sampler:

Pour about one inch of water in it and mark the water level. Fill the rest of the tube with Mogas and shake well for a few seconds. Since Ethanol blends with water, you will see the water level higher if it contains ethanol. At least, you'll know for sure you can't use that Mogas.

My local gas stations now all have ethanol in their Regular but their Super doesn't contain any...yet.

For what its worth

RB

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:45 pm
by High and Behind
digits

After reading this post I don't really think you know what your up for here.
First things first, you might want to check with the place you plan on renting the airplane from, whether they will let you do this trip at all.
Second, might want to check into whether or not a non U.S. citizen renting an American airplane, flying accross the U.S./Canada border is even allowed. Homeland Security may have something to say about this.

You mentioned earlier flying to Churchill. Hate to tell you but they don't have Avgas either. You would have to get a drum of it shipped on the train from Thompson. The nearest avgas is Gillam, Manitoba or Thompson, Manitoba.

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:27 am
by digits_
High and Behind wrote: Second, might want to check into whether or not a non U.S. citizen renting an American airplane, flying accross the U.S./Canada border is even allowed. Homeland Security may have something to say about this.
If I have a US flying license, this shouldn't be problem, no ? Who do you think might have a problem with this: the Americans or the Canadians ?
Thanks for bringing this up!

About the fuel in churchill: I called them and they said they have/will have drums available in july.

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:24 am
by High and Behind
Your pilot licence has nothing to do with it. I'ts that you passport will be from another country. And they may not like that. You may have to get a security clearence to even rent the airplane since your not from the U.S. Even Canadians that go to the U.S. to do simulator training have to get approved before they can train. The Agency is the Transportation Security Administration.

I would contact both Canadian and U.S. customs to start. Getting into Canada may not be a problem but getting back into the U.S. might be the tricky part.

To be honest I'm not an expert on this topic, but contacting the Homeland Security Agency in the U.S. to make sure your not going to get hassled doing this would be a call I would make.

Up until the September 11th attacks in the U.S., crossing the border from Canada used to be a non issue. However the are increasingly making it more difficult for even the most straight forward border crossing. I'm sure that in Europe it is much different.

Even my wife who was born in the U.S. and has an American passport but is a Canadian Landed immigrant, gets grilled at the border. This never used to happen.

Re: Jerry cans: legal and safe ?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:19 pm
by Groundloop
You will only need to get preapproved by Homeland Security if you will be receiving flight training in the US. I would still check, but I dont think you will have any problems. You will need a notorized statement from the aircraft owner stating you have permission to have the airplane outside of the US, Canada and US requirement. It might be easier to get the cumtoms decal to reenter the US before you leave. It cost 25.00 and you can get it by mail. If you rent the plane in Florida they may already have the decal on it. Flying back into the US with a plane full of gas cans might be looked at with suspicion. Last year a nut in Texas flew into a Federal Govt building with a plane fuel of gas cans because he was fed up with the tax man. Mike