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Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 4:25 pm
by goingnowherefast
Correct, but they don't include the rates from Encore's TA.
Or are they not relevant yet because it's still a TA? I understand either option, just not sure what the avcanada anarchy rules dictate.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 6:52 am
by yowflyer23
goingnowherefast wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 12:15 pm yowflyer23, thanks for all your efforts.
I know the regional pilot chart is in another thread somewhere. Are you able to post it on this thread too? Keep everything in one place?
The updated one is in the encore forum, but I’ll update the one here once the TA is voted upon. I’d also like to include some ATR operators for comparison like Morningstar/5T/Calm Air, but those aren’t as easy to find.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 7:30 am
by goingnowherefast
I'll PM you some rates for Calm Air, Wasaya and Perimeter. I don't know MMG, so hopefully someone else can provide that detail

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 4:04 pm
by C-GGGQ
Perimeter is 78 mmg not sure about calm or wasaya

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 2:04 pm
by IJNShiroyuki
C-GGGQ wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 4:04 pm Perimeter is 78 mmg not sure about calm or wasaya
Wasaya is MMG 160 Duty hours, not flight hours

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:30 pm
by revilo
goingnowherefast wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 7:30 am I'll PM you some rates for Calm Air, Wasaya and Perimeter. I don't know MMG, so hopefully someone else can provide that detail
I'd love to see these as I go job huntin.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:15 pm
by IcePharaoh
goingnowherefast wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 7:30 am I'll PM you some rates for Calm Air, Wasaya and Perimeter. I don't know MMG, so hopefully someone else can provide that detail
I'd also be interested in that info please.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:28 am
by RayJr
IcePharaoh wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:15 pm
goingnowherefast wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 7:30 am I'll PM you some rates for Calm Air, Wasaya and Perimeter. I don't know MMG, so hopefully someone else can provide that detail
I'd also be interested in that info please.
Probably everyone would.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:47 am
by CaptDukeNukem
You could just look up their contracts on negotech.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:13 pm
by IcePharaoh
CaptDukeNukem wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:47 am You could just look up their contracts on negotech.
Managed to find the one for Perimeter but haven't seen anything up to date for Calm Air or Wasaya.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:37 pm
by goingnowherefast
I dunno how to upload anything to this site. Sorry folks. I'm not nerdy enough.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:56 pm
by 8895
Figure I’d bump this and let whoever makes the tables do their thing now that Porters response to the AC TA is out

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:27 pm
by yowflyer23
8895 wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:56 pm Figure I’d bump this and let whoever makes the tables do their thing now that Porters response to the AC TA is out
Here ya go:
(Edited to add 5T ATR + fixed Porter Q rates)
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Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:44 am
by braaap Braap
yowflyer23 wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:27 pm
8895 wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:56 pm Figure I’d bump this and let whoever makes the tables do their thing now that Porters response to the AC TA is out
Here ya go:
(Edited to add 5T ATR)

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Those are still the old rates for Dash 8 CA Porter

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:14 am
by yowflyer23
braaap Braap wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:44 am
Those are still the old rates for Dash 8 CA Porter
My mistake. Fixed.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:17 am
by slob driver
Thanks for putting the table together.

Small suggestion to consider…..Since Porter’s rates are effective Jan 1, Wj’s rates should also reflect their pay increase on Jan 1.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:47 pm
by throwawaycorporate
it would be awesome to be able to see work rules, vacation, other QOL as well because as we know $$ isn't everything.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 2:16 pm
by yowflyer23
throwawaycorporate wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:47 pm it would be awesome to be able to see work rules, vacation, other QOL as well because as we know $$ isn't everything.
I agree and I've thought about doing that but it's tough to find that information without the contracts in front of me and it would also be quite time consuming to put it all together. If someone from each airline would post a summary here that would be wonderful! :D

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:33 pm
by slob driver
Let me know what you’d like and I’ll post for WJ.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:19 pm
by Me262
slob driver wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:33 pm Let me know what you’d like and I’ll post for WJ.
With what airlines can you list business on myIDtravel?

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:23 pm
by slob driver
That’s a good question that I do not have an answer for. One would have to go through every single airline. Maybe there’s another wj pilot on here that’s willing to do that leg work:). I was thinking more along the line of CA questions.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:22 am
by goingnowherefast
-Max days worked
-Max reserve days in a row
-Max reserve extensions
-General reserve rules (availability periods, when they're assigned, short call/long call times)
-Mid-pairing changes and extensions (credit protections? How many hours/days permitted. What happens if extended, more pay, reallocated days off, nothing)
-Pairing removal or reassignment rules
-Vacation allotment and rules
-Years of service when changing positions (different seat/aircraft)?
-Pay rigs (duty, trip)
-training hotels provided?
-training in block, or additional days

-Flight Data protections
-Post incident/accident protections (domestic/US/international)

I'm sure there's more, feel free to improve my list.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:20 am
by slob driver
goingnowherefast wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:22 am
-Max days worked
16 days for line holder and mixed reserve/line holder
18 days for full reserve line holder

-Max reserve days in a row
5 for narrowbody
6 for widebody

-Max reserve extensions

- Details in CA

-General reserve rules (availability periods, when they're assigned, short call/long call times)

- Details in CA

-Mid-pairing changes and extensions (credit protections? How many hours/days permitted. What happens if extended, more pay, reallocated days off, nothing)

- Details in CA

-Pairing removal or reassignment

- Details in CA

-Vacation allotment and rules

Years 1-3: 4 weeks (including stats which are parcelled together as vacation weeks
4-6: 5 weeks
7-24: 6 weeks
25+: 7 weeks
One week of vacation = 5 paid days
-One orphaned stat for everyone that can be attached to an above week
-4.5 credit hours credited to each paid vacation day
-can attach three non-paid gdo’s to each vacation week

-Years of service when changing positions (different seat/aircraft)?
Full years of service for all active time spent on property ie year 9 737 fo upgrades to year 9 737 captain

-Pay rigs (duty, trip)

Trip rig- 1:4, improving to 1:3.75 Jan/26
Duty rig-1:2
Min duty period credit (mdpc): 4 improving to 4.25 Jan/26

-training hotels provided?
Training hotels provided for both initial and recurrent training.

-training in block, or additional days

All training included in monthly block ie sim,crm,ept, line check. No training outside of block.

-Flight Data protections
-Post incident/accident protections (domestic/US/international)

-Numerous protections in multiple sections of collective agreement

Extensive protections in Collective agreement
I'm sure there's more, feel free to improve my list.

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:21 am
by slob driver
I’ve tried attaching the Collective Agreement for the references to the Ca in my response above, however I’m getting an error message that the file is too large

Re: Updated salary tables 2024

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 3:51 pm
by throwawaycorporate
slob driver wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:20 am
goingnowherefast wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:22 am ...
Thanks for all the awesome info, if others can chime in from other airlines I'm sure we're all curious.