I see Voyageur is hiring for over seas Dash work...

[KAG]

Reading the jobs forum, Voyageur is looking for Dash 7/8 drivers for overseas work. If your looking for a good company to work for, and feel like doing some travelling, I would jump on this. I know they have put guys direct entry CPT on the dash's from their king air fleet in the past, or at the least a very quick upgrade. Something worth taking a look at.


Cheers.

[Panama Jack]

What do you mean by "good company?"

A couple years ago they were offering something like $16K or $18K per year for King Air FO's. I would consider that a poverty wage level.

[KAG]

They have increased their pay scale over 4 years ago. CPTS on the King air start at 36K for northbay based, and 50K for the medevac bases. Cojo's around 26K.
Dash work, CPTS make over 55K (not sure exact number), not sure cojos.
There is a training bond, non prorated for 365 days on the King air. You leave a day early you pay full amount. At least thats how it was 3 years ago.

A pretty good company, with fast advancement, good machines, and good pay.


Cheers.

[undashflyer]

Hey guys,

I have done overseas contracts for "another 7 operator" and am wondering what the conditions are like with Voyageur in Uganda ie:

- Housing?
- Transportation?
- Time in / time out?
- Do you actually get out on time or do you get the "can you stay another month?" or
"the flights home are full until .... and you'll have to stay there until then"?
- Flying, I assume it is into DRC, etc. ?
- Pay - Does anyone know the f/a rates?
- Per Diem?

Thanks in advance,

M.

[evalle]

They have increased their pay scale over 4 years ago. CPTS on the King air start at 36K for northbay based, and 50K for the medevac bases. Cojo's around 26K.
Dash work, CPTS make over 55K (not sure exact number), not sure cojos.
There is a training bond, non prorated for 365 days on the King air. You leave a day early you pay full amount. At least thats how it was 3 years ago.

A pretty good company, with fast advancement, good machines, and good pay.


Cheers.

26K to work oversea is a good pay? a dishwasher in Europe makes those money...

[KAG]

26 K is for an entry level King air 100 FO, I'm not sure what they pay as an FO on the Dash let alone over seas. Factor in perdiums (which again I dont know), overseas tax credit (up to 80% paid taxes back), it would be a profitable contract.

Cheers.

[55+]

I can remember getting hired on with the NL govt as a BE-A100 F/O in 1980 at $18,000.00 /year and Air Nova started it's DHC-8 F/O at 21,000 when they started in 1986-87..

[Canuck]

Does anybody know if they are firm on only hiring F/O's with 500mpic as advertised... I suppose it can all come down to supply and demand though

[. .]

they've hired with less, but you'll most likely have to know someone to get in with less than the 500.

[Canuck]

Thx endless

[merlin]

Do they ever take guys with the 1500 pic but no multi time other than the multi IFR training?

[. .]

I'll start by saying that by no means am I an authority on VAL. I just know quite a few people that have worked there. My understanding is that the 1500 +500MPIC is pretty tough to get around. They need the MPIC to make you left seat qualified in the eyes of MOH. So to hire someone without the MPIC time is to assure a co-pilot for life. They have in the past hired guys/gals with less than the 500MPIC. Those that have been hired have been close to the 500MPIC and have had exceptional internal references. They build the lacking MPIC on dead legs to get the canidate up to the 500MPIC. This is by very far the exception to the rule though. I wouldn't assume that because it has been done in the past it will be done again in the future for anyone.

If anything I've said has been wrong please correct me.

[Rudy]

What do trans capital dash7 capts make? 55k seems kind of crummy.

[Kosiw]

From what I hear,TCA pays around 5k USD/month + 40USD/day perdiem, as an overseas contract cpt flying for the UN in Africa usually working around 2 months in, 1 or 2 months out rotation....

[DiscoDashSeven]

What do trans capital dash7 capts make? 55k seems kind of crummy.

Easy tiger, it pays the bills.

Endless is pretty much bang on. Turnover rates don't allow any less.

[Sage]

From what I've been told...Dash FOs (both types) start at 36. Africa is 2 in and 1 out. Per diems in Africa is $100 now but I have to get clarification whether that is US or Canadian. $40 (or something to that effect) of that is not taxable but the rest is.

Captain pay at 55 is for the first year. It does increase pretty good after that. When your 2 months is up...you go home. Period.

[Panama Jack]

Africa is 2 in and 1 out.

Wow, never knew the survival rates were that low!

[mooseway]

36k + per diems could buy you a mud hut 3 wives 7 kids and a monkey servant in Africa. Count me in.

[NovaBoy]

That pay sucks for an overseas Dash job, 55K is peanuts. The Caribbean Star contract paid more than that, and it's not Africa.

Where is this industry going....the pay now is worst than it was 10 years ago. There was a Dash contract in Austria a few years ago that I believe was paying close to $10K a month U.S.

The aviation industry sucks right now, should have been a lawyer.

[hazatude]

I would work for Cpt. Janeway.

[pitot]

Mooseway......

[. .]

Things definately do seem to be going the wrong way.


For those that have been through a few cycles:

I can understand that in times of a surplus of qualified pilots the employers can drop salary/benefits/working conditions/etc. Now that we're hopefully seeing the start of an upward swing could one assume that we should see an increase in pay/benefits/working conditions in the next year or two?

[miffed]

Trans Capital Air captains $5000 US; FOs $3000 US per month.
If you elect to go on the payroll versus contract, you are paid those dollars in CDN while back home and can expect to fly periodically from the Island (if there is an airplane available).
$45 US per day per diems (you spend that if you want to have a life).
Usually 2 months in, 2 out. But they will ask you to extend frequently.

Victor likes to get guys to pay for their training, but that is negotiable. Depends on their need at the time.

I am, however, very curious to know what the deal is at Voyageur.
Captain pay rate, rotation schedule, per diems, pension, accomodation etc. for their African contracts. And where are they operating overseas. Congo?

Any insight from those in the know would be greatly appreciated.

[1st timer]

A little off topic... but to answer Endless.

No things do not get better as the industry upswings. Owners get the mentality that their pilots are only there for a short time so they pay less and treat them worse.

That is not to say that all companies are like this, but the ones that treat you bad when times are tough will treat you bad when times are good.

[KAG]

So to get back on track...Voyageur is a good company to work for, with good pay, trust me. I don't know what the pay is, apply and find out. I'm sure it's fair market since noone in company is willing to go to Africa and they are now looking outside the company. I've been to africa and would go back again, it's not too bad if your staying in a good location.