Two fatal near Parry Sound

[PilotDAR]

The morning news is reporting a two fatal crash near Parry Sound around 7 last night.

[Heliian]

2 confirmed dead after small plane crash in seguin township near parry sound, ontario. Motorists on Hwy.400 saw it go down and called it in. reported @ 7:30pm. Very dark at that point, barely any moon last night. My condolences.

[jump154]

TSB website reports it as a Cessna 182.

Richmond Hill, Ontario, 10 November 2015 - The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) is deploying a team of investigators to the site of an accident involving a Cessna 182 near the Parry Sound airport, Ontario. The TSB will gather information and assess the occurrence.

[anofly]

i flew last night,in the area , it was a very black night ,there was a skiff of something thin cloud like floating around here and there at 3000 ft....and absolutely my condolences.. to family and friends

[PilotDAR]

Yes, the environment around Parry Sound airport at night demands really good situational awareness. It's not so bad if you're arriving, as there is a more "gentle" transition from the sky to the ground. Transitioning from ground to sky during takeoff happens more suddenly - lift off, and there are zero lights in front of you for reference - flight with reference to the surface really is of little benefit.

I don't know that circumstances of this crash, and will watch with interest what is reported....

[speedah]

If it was headed to Tillsonburg (as the media suggests) then it could have been C-GKNZ. C182H based out of there

[darkskyequeen]

The Cador just came out and not much more info. It's a 182H but no registration listed. Thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends. Always too close to home

[.Ben]

i flew last night,in the area , it was a very black night ,there was a skiff of something think cloud like floating around here and there at 3000 ft....

I flew around CYYB (North Bay) during late afternoon and also witnessed this, was a fog type cloud around 3000 and seemed to be getting thicker, by 24:00 local that night we had light fog to the ground here in North bay.

My Condolences.

[Lotro]

Heard this new this morning. My condolences as well. I hate it when this happens.

TSB posted photos, no ident:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsbcanada ... 0282298618

[Rookie50]

My condolences and prayers. Felt sick just hearing about 2 lives gone. Sorry to the families. Be careful out there all.

[Condorito]

http://www.easy101.com/news/latest/3713 ... ouple.html

RIP

[bizjets101]

That would confirm as stated above C-GKNZ a 1965 Cessna 182H based Tillsonburg CYTB

[pelmet]

A15O0188 - The privately operated Cessna 182H (C-GKNZ) departed Parry Sound Area Muni, ON
(CNK4) at approximately 19:20 for a night flight to Tillsonburg, ON (CYTB). Just after takeoff from
Runway 35, the aircraft turned left towards CYTB. Motorists on Highway 400 reported observing an
aircraft crashing in the woods near the highway, west of the airport. The aircraft clipped trees in a
nose down attitude with a significant angle of bank, impacting the ground on a rocky downward
slope. The two occupants were fatally injured; a post-crash fire destroyed most of the aircraft. The
TSB is investigating.

[Rookie50]

A15O0188 - The privately operated Cessna 182H (C-GKNZ) departed Parry Sound Area Muni, ON
(CNK4) at approximately 19:20 for a night flight to Tillsonburg, ON (CYTB). Just after takeoff from
Runway 35, the aircraft turned left towards CYTB. Motorists on Highway 400 reported observing an
aircraft crashing in the woods near the highway, west of the airport. The aircraft clipped trees in a
nose down attitude with a significant angle of bank, impacting the ground on a rocky downward
slope. The two occupants were fatally injured; a post-crash fire destroyed most of the aircraft. The
TSB is investigating.

Hmmmm. Really close. Highway is immediately west of AP, touching practically. After making turn. Spatial? It is a dark area. Town no where near AP.

So sorry again.

[anofly]

the TSB report is out on this one, it appears they took off on rwy 17, and started and never stopped a right turn, according to the gps data. I remember the night well and there was a for lack of a better word, spooky layer around 3000 feet on a very dark night That layer would not have had impact at the altitude the plane got to, but it would possibly have removed stars from view.

[rookiepilot]

the TSB report is out on this one, it appears they took off on rwy 17, and started and never stopped a right turn, according to the gps data. I remember the night well and there was a for lack of a better word, spooky layer around 3000 feet on a very dark night That layer would not have had impact at the altitude the plane got to, but it would possibly have removed stars from view.

Black hole effect is a real illusion and can be quite nasty, even with an IFR rating. Making low turns off departure over an unlit area on a dark night is not advisable.

[anofly]

Thats why i indicated they took off on 17, as that almost requires no turn to get to where they were going.... but the point is valid, and certainly no turns not required below 500 feet , and they should be planned.

[pelmet]

According to the TSB.....

Given the pilot's total flight time, training, and limited night flying experience, it is likely that he did not adequately assess the hazards associated with a night visual flight rules departure from an aerodrome with limited ambient and cultural lighting.
The pilot, who was probably not proficient at flying with reference to the instruments, may have become spatially disoriented after losing visual reference to the surface off the departure end of the runway and lost control of the aircraft.

I believe it.

People need to read up as much as possible on flying if they want to avoid accidents. A night rating is nice but taking off in pitch black is a lot different than over the city. I think some people are more natural instrument pilots than others and pilots need to be honest with themselves about how capable they are of flying under certain situations.

One of the reasons I got into commercial flying was that I wanted to get some real IFR flying instead of what little I had at the time which had led to a weak instrument approach at an airport that was quite poorly done. I realized that I was nowhere near qualified to be doing an occasional instrument approach with my occasionally used rating. It took very little time in the commercial world with non-autopilot aircraft to gain a lot of proficiency.

Prior to doing this, I was what these guys likely were...an accident waiting to happen.