What to expect as a new Fo.

[Malfunction]

Anyone share what life is like as a new FO who is commuting. Would I ever be home? How many days off do you get?

[indieadventurer]

Did you ask any of these questions during the interview?

I don't work there but fairly certain if you're on a WB there is unfortunately no cap to the number of days worked per month compared to the NB where it's 16/18 for a block holder/reserve.

Commuting is going to be terrible with those numbers, especially this summer.

[Rooster69]

Depends on which airplane you will be on and where you are commuting from. Narrow body world has a max 16 days at work.

[goingmissed]

Expect to work a second job to make ends meet.

[JHR]

No name mac and cheese with chicken hotdogs in your parents basement for the next four years...but cool pics of yourself in the right seat of a heavy!

[Old fella]

No name mac and cheese with chicken hotdogs in your parents basement for the next four years...but cool pics of yourself in the right seat of a heavy!

Won’t comment on dietary provisions nor accommodation, however if you are a single heterosexual male cool right seat pictures in a heavy heading to all points around the globe will , no doubt tweak much interest amongst the single opposite gender. Results very but dalliances and late night behaviours are very common symptoms. Not speaking from experience, mind you but have heard many a story.

[ToolShed]

No name mac and cheese with chicken hotdogs in your parents basement for the next four years...but cool pics of yourself in the right seat of a heavy!

Won’t comment on dietary provisions nor accommodation, however if you are a single heterosexual male cool right seat pictures in a heavy heading to all points around the globe will , no doubt tweak much interest amongst the single opposite gender. Results very but dalliances and late night behaviours are very common symptoms. Not speaking from experience, mind you but have heard many a story.

Selfies can not get you a mortgage though.

[Droho774]

How long was it from interview to ground school date?

[Fanblade]

Anyone share what life is like as a new FO who is commuting. Would I ever be home? How many days off do you get?

Reserve. 20 days. With best fit plan to be available on base for ALL of them.

Narrow body with a block is max 16 days. Junior you will have a lot of early mornings. Plan to travel into base the night before 3-4 times a month.

Commuting junior or on reserve is painful. It just depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice. You will sacrifice.

[jpilot77]

I commuted my first 8 months, but I was an RP (so generally only 3 pairings per month and overseas flights generally leave in the late afternoon/evening), also I was senior enough to have a schedule right away. Finally I was commuting from YUL to YYZ so lots of flights to jump on. I didn’t have a crash pad, and only once did I grab a hotel room. It was very relaxed.

Now if you were the bottom of the list on a narrow body commuting from YVR to YYZ you wouldn’t be having much fun with that commute.

[fixnfly]

Is there a commuting policy in the works? I've heard an ever increasing number of the pilot group is commuting from other cities as YVR and YYZ have become unaffordable to live in.

[jpilot77]

Is there a commuting policy in the works? I've heard an ever increasing number of the pilot group is commuting from other cities as YVR and YYZ have become unaffordable to live in.

Nope.

[flyingcanuck]

No max days? Brutaallll

[Ash Ketchum]

What is the monthly take home for a year 1 AC FO ?

[Canadaflyer46]

Any truth to the rumours the four year flat pay may be removed?

[Aspiredtofly]

Any truth to the rumours the four year flat pay may be removed?

I guess we're supposed to wait till 2023 or 24 for a new collective aggrement as per what the other forum discussion say

[Inverted2]

Anyone share what life is like as a new FO who is commuting. Would I ever be home? How many days off do you get?

As it is right now I don’t know how commuters make it work.

Everything is either 1. Oversold 2. Hours late or 3. Canceled.

[780Pilot]

What is the monthly take home for a year 1 AC FO ?

56k pre tax. I’d take a pay cut leaving the 704 I’m at making 80k a year soon to be 145k. I just don’t know if I wanna suffer the cut in YYZ for at least 2 if not the full 4 years. Sure the 200k NB Captain is good and all but who knows how long 2 year upgrades last.

[Ash Ketchum]

What is the monthly take home for a year 1 AC FO ?

56k pre tax. I’d take a pay cut leaving the 704 I’m at making 80k a year soon to be 145k. I just don’t know if I wanna suffer the cut in YYZ for at least 2 if not the full 4 years. Sure the 200k NB Captain is good and all but who knows how long 2 year upgrades last.

Exactly that is why I was looking at US opportunities. Not everyone is a single dude living in their moms basement.

[EdgarAllanPIC]

No max days (company can even override NB 16 days max), no commuting policy, lowest starting pay in the industry

All under the watch of reps that won't just go away and think they are part of the solution after playing important roles in the problems

Get an education, get a career in a field that respects you and preferably in a country that recognizes your skills

There won't be any miracles at AC until there is some serious reckoning at ACPA

[CXALE]

What is the monthly take home for a year 1 AC FO ?

56k pre tax. I’d take a pay cut leaving the 704 I’m at making 80k a year soon to be 145k. I just don’t know if I wanna suffer the cut in YYZ for at least 2 if not the full 4 years. Sure the 200k NB Captain is good and all but who knows how long 2 year upgrades last.

Exactly that is why I was looking at US opportunities. Not everyone is a single dude living in their moms basement.

Im not defending the shitty starting pay, however, I made less than that working in aviation with wife (she works also) and two kids and I did just fine...

[North Shore]

Where, when flying what, etc...

[JHR]

56k pre tax. I’d take a pay cut leaving the 704 I’m at making 80k a year soon to be 145k. I just don’t know if I wanna suffer the cut in YYZ for at least 2 if not the full 4 years. Sure the 200k NB Captain is good and all but who knows how long 2 year upgrades last.

Exactly that is why I was looking at US opportunities. Not everyone is a single dude living in their moms basement.

Im not defending the shitty starting pay, however, I made less than that working in aviation with wife (she works also) and two kids and I did just fine...

Good for you. Maybe we should all just work for shit and be happy about it.

[CXALE]

Exactly that is why I was looking at US opportunities. Not everyone is a single dude living in their moms basement.

Im not defending the shitty starting pay, however, I made less than that working in aviation with wife (she works also) and two kids and I did just fine...

Good for you. Maybe we should all just work for shit and be happy about it.

This is exactly the problem. In my opinion happiness and salary are not directly proportional.

[Ash Ketchum]

Im not defending the shitty starting pay, however, I made less than that working in aviation with wife (she works also) and two kids and I did just fine...

Good for you. Maybe we should all just work for shit and be happy about it.

This is exactly the problem. In my opinion happiness and salary are not directly proportional.

I agree that after a certain income threshold money isn't linearly correlated with happiness. However, if you can't afford food, mortgage, etc it does effect happiness. I think it's key to have the wife working. Personally my wife doesn't but I have always had side businesses which helped the family survive the pay in this industry. Just getting a bit burned out working 60 hour weeks years on end...