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Airline Evacuation Training.

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Flipping around waiting for Monday night football, see Mayday on and they are showing a simulated evac (using a simulator) to get everyone off and down the slide in under the magic 90 seconds.

They use an A320 sim cabin with maybe 40 seats and 20 people, not one of whom is over 25 and 150 pounds. All laughing their heads off.

What a joke. All used to cram more seats into a 737max.
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rookiepilot wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:24 pm Flipping around waiting for Monday night football, see Mayday on and they are showing a simulated evac (using a simulator) to get everyone off and down the slide in under the magic 90 seconds.

They use an A320 sim cabin with maybe 40 seats and 20 people, not one of whom is over 25 and 150 pounds. All laughing their heads off.

What a joke. All used to cram more seats into a 737max.
What's your point? I'm an airline pilot and I didn't touch the real airplane until my first day of line-indoctrination.

Your argument went as follows:
  • You are bored and were flipping through channels
  • You saw Mayday was on and stopped for a minute to watch out of context
  • You saw a video of flight attendants simulating an evacuation and assumed that what you saw is the entirety of the training
  • You posted a comment on an aviation channel hoping that someone would validate your opinion formed on a lack of information.
  • You finish it off with a complaint about an aircraft being stretched and putting more seats on it.
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Point missed…..shocker. Or more likely, ignored.

More, and more narrower, closer together seats. Less FA’s. Single, narrow aisle. Older, fatter, slower pax (and FA’s on some routes). Max and A321…..just wow. Just keep pushing……

Yep, sounds like a real Pelmet doozy one day, when one of those puppies catches fire, say half the doors blocked (thats the 90 second standard, right?) getting everyone out.

You guys gotta stop being home boy industry cheerleaders when someone actually notices something.
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Was that an actual simulator or a Mayday simulation of the simulator?
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Pretty sure for the certification every seat is full, as for cramming more seats in the Max 10 has more emergency exits and most likely more FA’s in them just like the 900 has more than the 800.
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I think more people would be able to make it out alive in real life if the overhead bins were equipped with a locking device that only releases the hatches when the pilot hits a switch on the shutdown checklist.
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rookiepilot wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:24 pm Flipping around waiting for Monday night football, see Mayday on and they are showing a simulated evac (using a simulator) to get everyone off and down the slide in under the magic 90 seconds.

They use an A320 sim cabin with maybe 40 seats and 20 people, not one of whom is over 25 and 150 pounds. All laughing their heads off.

What a joke. All used to cram more seats into a 737max.
The story I heard way back was that when they were trying to figure out how many people could egress a large aircraft, the simulated pax would always stand up, wait their turn, and exit in a calm orderly fashion and easily get out in under 90 seconds. This was not at all representative of what happens in a smoke filled aircraft that's on fire where people will kill each other to get out the door. The only way they could get people to act like it was a real emergency was to put a pile of cash on tables outside, and tell everyone they could keep whatever they got their hands on. The time to get everyone out the door went up dramatically.

This is how they identified bottle necks that caused jam ups and they made the exit areas narrower to force people into single file. I think British Air tours 28M was the catalyst but I'm not sure.
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There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
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rookiepilot wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 pm There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
I don't think that's necessarily the goal though. The standard way of testing the evacuation in an orderly fashion ensures all new airplanes have a certain limit, which implies evacuation time will be somewhat standard.

90 seconds in a no stress situation might translate to 6 minutes in an emergency, but it's way easier to define and measure.
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digits_ wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:35 pm
rookiepilot wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 pm There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
I don't think that's necessarily the goal though. The standard way of testing the evacuation in an orderly fashion ensures all new airplanes have a certain limit, which implies evacuation time will be somewhat standard.

90 seconds in a no stress situation might translate to 6 minutes in an emergency, but it's way easier to define and measure.
Isn’t it “90 seconds”.
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rookiepilot wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 pm There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
So what do you suggest? Rounding up a bunch of people off the street, kidnapping them and then lighting a fire in the plane and say get out ?
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rookiepilot wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 pm There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
I think the answer to your question is AF358, the crash in YYZ.

A trained crew, near full AC, real passengers mixed nationality at the end of a Transatlantic flight, fire blocked exits and evacuated in 90 seconds. Is it a high standard, sure? Is it achievable in real world conditions? Absolutely.

So maybe research a little before coming here proclaiming your opinion as an absolute certainty.
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sarg wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:11 am
rookiepilot wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 pm There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
I think the answer to your question is AF358, the crash in YYZ.

A trained crew, near full AC, real passengers mixed nationality at the end of a Transatlantic flight, fire blocked exits and evacuated in 90 seconds. Is it a high standard, sure? Is it achievable in real world conditions? Absolutely.

So maybe research a little before coming here proclaiming your opinion as an absolute certainty.
Fair.
How about a jammed A321 instead? Single aisle?
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rookiepilot wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:31 am
sarg wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:11 am
rookiepilot wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:22 pm There is no way a smoke filled cabin absolutely full of old / fat / half drunk adults and small children, with half the exits blocked, would evacuate in anywhere close to 90 seconds.

But whatever—
I think the answer to your question is AF358, the crash in YYZ.

A trained crew, near full AC, real passengers mixed nationality at the end of a Transatlantic flight, fire blocked exits and evacuated in 90 seconds. Is it a high standard, sure? Is it achievable in real world conditions? Absolutely.

So maybe research a little before coming here proclaiming your opinion as an absolute certainty.
Fair.
How about a jammed A321 instead? Single aisle?
So, you refuse to accept that the AC are designed to meet the standard?

A330-300 mixed configuration 300 seats 8 exits about 37.5 seats per exit. A321neo mixed configuration 206 seats 10 exits 20.6 seats per exit. The 45% less seat per exit covers the loss of an aisle.
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