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Any comments from you ATC people? Why is everyone still doing it?
Calling Level
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Re: Calling Level
Old habits? And if ATC ever requests you to do so (yea, I know you're talking about calling level regardless of if you're asked to or not), it's probably for a reason. Maybe you didn't hear the request?Four1oh wrote:http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=17881
Any comments from you ATC people? Why is everyone still doing it?
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invertedattitude
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When you're very busy and you're changing a guys level for traffic it is nice to hear him call level, removes one more thing to check, which in todays airspace loads helps quite a bit.
Also airplanes calling level always cue's controllers to a pilot being at the wrong flight level, he should catch the radar, but it can help.
Also pilots don't be confused you still need to check in everytime with your altitude.
Also airplanes calling level always cue's controllers to a pilot being at the wrong flight level, he should catch the radar, but it can help.
Also pilots don't be confused you still need to check in everytime with your altitude.
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CPL_ATC mentioned exactly what I hear for our non-radar environment. Sometimes when I hear the first Jazz flight leave CYTS after 6 am local, the ZYZ controller will tell him to 'call level w/ Toronto ctr on 135.4'. Don't know if that sector on 135.4 is non radar until 10 000 feet also though.
FSS wannabe, just curious about stuff, that's all
from the AIM Pg. 239
8.4 Altitude Reports
Pilots shall report reaching the altitude to which the flight has been initially cleared. When climbing or descending en route, pilots shall report when leaving a previously assigned altitude and when reaching the assigned altitude.
On initial contact with ATC or when changing from one ATC frequency to another, pilots of IFR and controlled VFR flights shall state the assigned cruising altitude and, when applicable, the altitude through which the aircraft is climbing or descending.
8.4 Altitude Reports
Pilots shall report reaching the altitude to which the flight has been initially cleared. When climbing or descending en route, pilots shall report when leaving a previously assigned altitude and when reaching the assigned altitude.
On initial contact with ATC or when changing from one ATC frequency to another, pilots of IFR and controlled VFR flights shall state the assigned cruising altitude and, when applicable, the altitude through which the aircraft is climbing or descending.
It'll never happen. One of the big reasons for it not being there anymore is that if towers routinely say "check gear down" and one time they leave it out and a plane lands gear-down, now the controller and everyone else involved at Nav Canada are into a huge lawsuit.Doc wrote:. . . I'd like to see towers go back to..."Check gear down"....how long would that take?
It was determined that it is the pilot's job to ensure his aircraft is configured for landing, and the Nav Canada lawyers are making sure that the towers stay right away from having any responsibility in that. It's all about C.Y.A.
