Wasaya hawker off the runway
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Flightlevels
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Wasaya hawker off the runway
200 feet off the end in sachigo, with a load of gas and sunk about 2 feet deep...more importantly everyone is ok.
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Bushwacker
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Surprised?
Everything was fine, no one was hurt, aircraft was not damaged except for a couple flats. I find it amazing that they can land a 48'000lb machine on that short of a gravel strip all time, wet, dry, or snow covered. Its a wonder that doesn't happen more often.
Trust your instincts and just go where the money is.
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Flightlevels
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Took a picture of it from above, can't figure out how to attach it though...anyone know how?...also it was trying to land in a heavy shower...landed just over half way down the runway thus the result....makes me think a go-around should have happened. But then again I wasn't in the flightdeck with em so I can't armchair fairly, however the touchdown tracks don't lie.
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nimbostratus
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Cap'n P8 wrote:"however the touchdown tracks don't lie."
Or do they? If he was hydroplaning the wheels wouldn't be in contact with the ground...
Hydroplaning on gravel? Not likely.
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Give him a mask and he will tell the truth." -- Oscar Wilde
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.
Give him a mask and he will tell the truth." -- Oscar Wilde
Got to ask...who done it?
They didn't get off so lucky a few years back in Kasabonica. Pretty good example of how the same "oooops" can have different results. Toss in a couple of large rocks or tree stumps...and you have a bloody disaster! A little soft soil...and you have egg on your face, and a bruised ego..is all.
Still, it is the same cause....too high/too hot/downwind....or any of the above. For thoes of you who dont know this, the Hawker has no reverse thrust, just ground fine pitch, which works really well. That, coupled with a low approach speed, and a touch down in the first 500 feet or so makes it very easy to get the 46000 pound "dog whistle" down and stopped on any 3500 foot strip in the north...even in winter. Toss in a ten knot tail wind, with a thousand foot "float" though, and all bets are off. The beast has first generation anti-skid brakes (but then it is some wonky British system) which, again works great, once there is weight on the wheels before braking is applied...otherwise, there go the tyres! There is no magic to this...I have brought the creature to a stop by the main taxiway at YRL several times, landing on 08! Okay, I'll admit to a 15-20 knot head wind.
They didn't get off so lucky a few years back in Kasabonica. Pretty good example of how the same "oooops" can have different results. Toss in a couple of large rocks or tree stumps...and you have a bloody disaster! A little soft soil...and you have egg on your face, and a bruised ego..is all.
Still, it is the same cause....too high/too hot/downwind....or any of the above. For thoes of you who dont know this, the Hawker has no reverse thrust, just ground fine pitch, which works really well. That, coupled with a low approach speed, and a touch down in the first 500 feet or so makes it very easy to get the 46000 pound "dog whistle" down and stopped on any 3500 foot strip in the north...even in winter. Toss in a ten knot tail wind, with a thousand foot "float" though, and all bets are off. The beast has first generation anti-skid brakes (but then it is some wonky British system) which, again works great, once there is weight on the wheels before braking is applied...otherwise, there go the tyres! There is no magic to this...I have brought the creature to a stop by the main taxiway at YRL several times, landing on 08! Okay, I'll admit to a 15-20 knot head wind.
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Flightlevels
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Hey FlightLevels I always thought you worked for WestJet...90% of your posts are in the WestJet forum and you talk like you work there?
My prediction...there will be a few guys in Manitoba & Northwestern Ontario watching out for a camera toting shit disturber sitting left seat in an aircraft with blue wing struts. Is that a C208 or perhaps a DHC-6?
Talk about ambulance chasing...Did you ever stop for a minute and think that one day a landing may go south on you? I'm sure the crew of this machine probaly feels lower than low yet you feel the need to jump in and make them feel just a little worse by attaching a photo's.
I think guys like you should be pursuing jobs with the National Inquirer not WestJet or any other position that requires discretion and professionalism.
My prediction...there will be a few guys in Manitoba & Northwestern Ontario watching out for a camera toting shit disturber sitting left seat in an aircraft with blue wing struts. Is that a C208 or perhaps a DHC-6?
Talk about ambulance chasing...Did you ever stop for a minute and think that one day a landing may go south on you? I'm sure the crew of this machine probaly feels lower than low yet you feel the need to jump in and make them feel just a little worse by attaching a photo's.
I think guys like you should be pursuing jobs with the National Inquirer not WestJet or any other position that requires discretion and professionalism.
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" I think guys like you should be pursuing jobs with the National Inquirer not WestJet or any other position that requires discretion and professionalism. "
Would it be better if all accidents and incidents were to be kept secret, so no one learns from the mistakes of others?
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Would it be better if all accidents and incidents were to be kept secret, so no one learns from the mistakes of others?
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Been sitting in the weeds just reading Doc.
Got tired of all the backstabbing wannabees putting everyone down with no good ideas of their own..
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Been sitting in the weeds just reading Doc.
Got tired of all the backstabbing wannabees putting everyone down with no good ideas of their own..
..you know..just resting and getting used to retirement on my sail boat.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
