JBI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:08 pm

ShillBill wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:37 pm

5degrees wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:24 pm

LOL so you ain't doin shit. Riding on the coat tails of the hard fought contracts in the US. Why you even posting on a Canadian forum then? Pathetic.

Of course I left...its a basic math exercise. Do you think I'm stupid? As a 3rd year FO I make more than any airline pilot in this country

And reading comments about how great it is being a WJ FO making $90 a hour because you own a boat in Calgary only reaffirms my decision

ShillBill wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:31 am Bonjour à tous,

I am weighing my career options but am scared to be at an airline full of shills

We have seen how shilling has worked at other airlines and they are now among the worst paid pilots on the planet

My question is, is it likely Air Transat pilots will get their collective butts together or are they going to shill it to the bottom because they have great golf tournaments with management

I see AC pilots revolted and joined ALPA so there is hope there at least. Just concerned about some of the comments from les pilotes de Air Transat

Would love to stay home in Montréal but would move if necessary. Maybe the US, just looking at getting my greencard...

Merci

A third year Delta FO eh? That’s awesome! How did you manage to get to step 3 pay at a US carrier when 10 months ago you were “looking at getting your green card…”

khedrei wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:46 am Why don't you answer the question man?

How did you get a job at delta on year 3 pay when you were "looking into a green card" in Sept '23

Bede wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:27 am Hilarious. I guess we won't be hearing from ShillBiĺl insulting every pilot group that he thinks should have met his arbitrary standards.

Bede wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:27 am Hilarious. I guess we won't be hearing from ShillBiĺl insulting every pilot group that he thinks should have met his arbitrary standards.

CPU2000 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:52 pm

Bede wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:27 am Hilarious. I guess we won't be hearing from ShillBiĺl insulting every pilot group that he thinks should have met his arbitrary standards.

What's really NOT hilarious is the fact junior narrowbody FOs at Delta make more than widebody Captains in this country

thepoors wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:56 pm

CPU2000 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:52 pm

Bede wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:27 am Hilarious. I guess we won't be hearing from ShillBiĺl insulting every pilot group that he thinks should have met his arbitrary standards.

What's really NOT hilarious is the fact junior narrowbody FOs at Delta make more than widebody Captains in this country

Yeah the old timer regulars here are losing the plot. Regardless of whether he's making stuff up about his own career or not, his point is valid. It's sad that the focus is on discrediting and tearing someone down rather than on getting the wawcon we deserve in this country.

braaap Braap wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:21 pm

thepoors wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:56 pm

CPU2000 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:52 pm

What's really NOT hilarious is the fact junior narrowbody FOs at Delta make more than widebody Captains in this country

Yeah the old timer regulars here are losing the plot. Regardless of whether he's making stuff up about his own career or not, his point is valid. It's sad that the focus is on discrediting and tearing someone down rather than on getting the wawcon we deserve in this country.

Well said. There are 5 or 6 threads in the past few weeks that have been absolutely railroaded by useless dick swinging over who's micro peen is the biggest. Cut the squabbling, come together with some empathy and tolerance, and let's keep working together on pulling the whole Canadian industry out of the gutter.

Sure these troll accounts are kind of annoying but at least they're bringing these issues to the forefront. Let's try and improve these issues rather than get all offended and start trying to discredit whoever's behind the keyboard.

thepoors wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:56 pm

CPU2000 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:52 pm

Bede wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:27 am Hilarious. I guess we won't be hearing from ShillBiĺl insulting every pilot group that he thinks should have met his arbitrary standards.

What's really NOT hilarious is the fact junior narrowbody FOs at Delta make more than widebody Captains in this country

Yeah the old timer regulars here are losing the plot. Regardless of whether he's making stuff up about his own career or not, his point is valid. It's sad that the focus is on discrediting and tearing someone down rather than on getting the wawcon we deserve in this country.

Bede does little more than make excuses for WJ management.

330heavy might actually be TS management from the way he was defending their ridiculous 3 year bond less than a year ago and the way he has convinced himself TS is the greatest airline to ever grace this earth.

330heavy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:16 am

thepoors wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:56 pm

CPU2000 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:52 pm

What's really NOT hilarious is the fact junior narrowbody FOs at Delta make more than widebody Captains in this country

Yeah the old timer regulars here are losing the plot. Regardless of whether he's making stuff up about his own career or not, his point is valid. It's sad that the focus is on discrediting and tearing someone down rather than on getting the wawcon we deserve in this country.

Bede does little more than make excuses for WJ management.

330heavy might actually be TS management from the way he was defending their ridiculous 3 year bond less than a year ago and the way he has convinced himself TS is the greatest airline to ever grace this earth.

Heaven forbid one love where they work and is happy there and the people they work with. It's a shame you dont have that, or unable to get on at Air Transat. Unfortunately I would not recommend you.

While more money such as US rates would be great for everyone, money doesn't buy happiness as often the saying. And for the record, I am for pattern bargaining and achieving gains. Bond is gone, more money is lost to training pilots who leave. The catch 22 is we need higher salaries to slow the attrition. There will always be those who go to AC for the security or the type of flying they do. And so I saw the bond as more money for us to achieve come bargaining time as the more money a company has, the more the pilots can get.

For a short time we had one of the highest paid narrowbody pilots in Canada. We been leap frogged, such as it should go in pattern bargaining. We have our chance next year as our contract comes up. We all here at Transat I can safely say, hope and support AC pilots in their endeavour for significant gains, many of us will be on the picket line with them if it comes to that, hopefully it doesn't. Many AC pilots know we stand behind them!

It's sad to see some imposter posters (with different handles) who gets a lil'chub in the pantaloons for regurgitating the same shit over and over without a clue or an IQ of how anything works and the timeline it takes. Haters gonna hate I suppose

cdnavater wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:15 am

330heavy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:16 am

thepoors wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:56 pm

Yeah the old timer regulars here are losing the plot. Regardless of whether he's making stuff up about his own career or not, his point is valid. It's sad that the focus is on discrediting and tearing someone down rather than on getting the wawcon we deserve in this country.

Bede does little more than make excuses for WJ management.

330heavy might actually be TS management from the way he was defending their ridiculous 3 year bond less than a year ago and the way he has convinced himself TS is the greatest airline to ever grace this earth.

Heaven forbid one love where they work and is happy there and the people they work with. It's a shame you dont have that, or unable to get on at Air Transat. Unfortunately I would not recommend you.

While more money such as US rates would be great for everyone, money doesn't buy happiness as often the saying. And for the record, I am for pattern bargaining and achieving gains. Bond is gone, more money is lost to training pilots who leave. The catch 22 is we need higher salaries to slow the attrition. There will always be those who go to AC for the security or the type of flying they do. And so I saw the bond as more money for us to achieve come bargaining time as the more money a company has, the more the pilots can get.

For a short time we had one of the highest paid narrowbody pilots in Canada. We been leap frogged, such as it should go in pattern bargaining. We have our chance next year as our contract comes up. We all here at Transat I can safely say, hope and support AC pilots in their endeavour for significant gains, many of us will be on the picket line with them if it comes to that, hopefully it doesn't. Many AC pilots know we stand behind them!

It's sad to see some imposter posters (with different handles) who gets a lil'chub in the pantaloons for regurgitating the same shit over and over without a clue or an IQ of how anything works and the timeline it takes. Haters gonna hate I suppose

They also don’t understand the leverage a regional has versus the mainline they serve, I find it completely ridiculous the comments how they should have went on strike, etc.
In the grand scheme, WJ very likely would have let Encore pilots strike for a very long time, until they caved or just shut them down, of this I have no doubt!

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:05 pm

cdnavater wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:15 am

330heavy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:16 am

Heaven forbid one love where they work and is happy there and the people they work with. It's a shame you dont have that, or unable to get on at Air Transat. Unfortunately I would not recommend you.

While more money such as US rates would be great for everyone, money doesn't buy happiness as often the saying. And for the record, I am for pattern bargaining and achieving gains. Bond is gone, more money is lost to training pilots who leave. The catch 22 is we need higher salaries to slow the attrition. There will always be those who go to AC for the security or the type of flying they do. And so I saw the bond as more money for us to achieve come bargaining time as the more money a company has, the more the pilots can get.

For a short time we had one of the highest paid narrowbody pilots in Canada. We been leap frogged, such as it should go in pattern bargaining. We have our chance next year as our contract comes up. We all here at Transat I can safely say, hope and support AC pilots in their endeavour for significant gains, many of us will be on the picket line with them if it comes to that, hopefully it doesn't. Many AC pilots know we stand behind them!

It's sad to see some imposter posters (with different handles) who gets a lil'chub in the pantaloons for regurgitating the same shit over and over without a clue or an IQ of how anything works and the timeline it takes. Haters gonna hate I suppose

They also don’t understand the leverage a regional has versus the mainline they serve, I find it completely ridiculous the comments how they should have went on strike, etc.
In the grand scheme, WJ very likely would have let Encore pilots strike for a very long time, until they caved or just shut them down, of this I have no doubt!

So regionals in Canada are shutting down due to high pilot pay.

Crazy!

cdnavater wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:56 pm

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:05 pm

cdnavater wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:15 am
They also don’t understand the leverage a regional has versus the mainline they serve, I find it completely ridiculous the comments how they should have went on strike, etc.
In the grand scheme, WJ very likely would have let Encore pilots strike for a very long time, until they caved or just shut them down, of this I have no doubt!

So regionals in Canada are shutting down due to high pilot pay.

Crazy!

Yes, WJ severed ties with Pasco, I suspect pilot wages were the biggest reason, would they have shut down Encore, who knows but the possibility was there!

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:13 pm
That's nuts. Entire communities without airline service because Q400 pilots were asking for raises!

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:13 pm

cdnavater wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:56 pm

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:05 pm

So regionals in Canada are shutting down due to high pilot pay.

Crazy!

Yes, WJ severed ties with Pasco, I suspect pilot wages were the biggest reason, would they have shut down Encore, who knows but the possibility was there!

That's nuts. Entire communities without airline service because Q400 pilots were asking for raises!

JBI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:34 pm

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:13 pm
That's nuts. Entire communities without airline service because Q400 pilots were asking for raises!

I mean there's Penticton, Brandon, Fort St. John and Terrace - those are the only communities Encore serves exclusively from what I know (I may have missed one or two). All but Terrace are within 2.5 hours of an airport that is served by WestJet. Every other community that Encore serves also gets WestJet 737 service. Both Fort St. John and Terrace are served by Jazz and/or CMA. Penticton is served by Pacific Coastal on their own. So in reality, only Brandon would 'lose' airline service if Encore shut down but even then, WestJet did previously fly the 737 into Brandon.

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:13 pm Wowzers!

Does that mean Air Canada pilots should be careful too?

Are they going to shutdown Edmonton (only 2.5 hrs from Calgary) or Montreal (5 hrs drive plus train options from Toronto)

Or maybe Ottawa (2 hrs from Montreal)

Or Toronto (only 1.5 hrs from Buffalo)

Perhaps Winnipeg and people drive to Grand Forks or Regina and people drive to Minot?

It's crazy how pilots are the make or break for entire operations. Hopefully at the very least we can travel on American carriers where their pilots make double but somehow aren't the make or break point?

acountant wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:13 pm Wowzers!

Does that mean Air Canada pilots should be careful too?

Are they going to shutdown Edmonton (only 2.5 hrs from Calgary) or Montreal (5 hrs drive plus train options from Toronto)

Or maybe Ottawa (2 hrs from Montreal)

Or Toronto (only 1.5 hrs from Buffalo)

Perhaps Winnipeg and people drive to Grand Forks or Regina and people drive to Minot?

It's crazy how pilots are the make or break for entire operations. Hopefully at the very least we can travel on American carriers where their pilots make double but somehow aren't the make or break point?