Why do Airline staff assume everyone is lying?

[rookiepilot]

https://nationalpost.com/news/woman-hum ... -condition

Curious. You must be lying -- every passenger, everywhere.

Discharge note? Forged?

She did get a meal voucher for getting kicked off the flight. Winner.

[‘Bob’]

You should work front line customer service these days and see what kind of BS people try and pull. Then realize that they don’t pay anywhere near enough to deal with it.


She has an obvious visible condition that could be construed as a contagious disease which she chose not to communicate to the staff or airline. If I had a condition like this I would have been proactive about it with the airline.

[rookiepilot]

You should work front line customer service these days and see what kind of BS people try and pull. Then realize that they don’t pay anywhere near enough to deal with it.


She has an obvious visible condition that could be construed as a contagious disease which she chose not to communicate to the staff or airline. If I had a condition like this I would have been proactive about it with the airline.

I don’t doubt what you say with some customers. The answer then is treat everyone as a liar? I’ve experienced this. Doesn’t matter what you say as a customer, how kind or respectful you are.
You must be lying. Period. Can see it in their face.

3. questions.

Why did they wait until she was on the plane? Gotta pass multiple people prior to that. Is humiliating necessary?

She had a discharge note from the hospital. They refused to look at it.

Lastly. Lets assume she is wrong. Why did SW then apologize if they weren’t wrong? That’s not consistent. Airlines up here never apologize— they are “looking into it”.

My point is clear. Airlines don’t have the best image, cause too often they treat everyone like the lying abusing POS that only a handful of Pax in reality are.

The answer is ground the real abusers. Other businesses do this. Then its better for the rest of us.

And stop selling alcohol in airports!

[cdnavater]

Because rookie, it’s far more that lie than you believe, a recent example, woman with a “2 year old” lap baby who can stand up on the floor and look out the window, carry on a conversation and for frick sakes sitting on moms lap, his head was damn near above hers and no she was not super small herself.
Another example of selfishness, I had two wonderful seat mates, husband and wife who for the entire 3 hour flight were BOTH blowing their noses constantly snorting back the runny nose and coughing, I’m sure it was allergies right rookie, people wouldn’t travel when contagious would they?

[rookiepilot]

Because rookie, it’s far more that lie than you believe, a recent example, woman with a “2 year old” lap baby who can stand up on the floor and look out the window, carry on a conversation and for frick sakes sitting on moms lap, his head was damn near above hers and no she was not super small herself.
Another example of selfishness, I had two wonderful seat mates, husband and wife who for the entire 3 hour flight were BOTH blowing their noses constantly snorting back the runny nose and coughing, I’m sure it was allergies right rookie, people wouldn’t travel when contagious would they?

Going through ones career looking at one’s customers as the enemy seems a miserable existence.

I have flown a lot. In my observations, Most people don’t seem any trouble whatsoever.

[cdnavater]

Because rookie, it’s far more that lie than you believe, a recent example, woman with a “2 year old” lap baby who can stand up on the floor and look out the window, carry on a conversation and for frick sakes sitting on moms lap, his head was damn near above hers and no she was not super small herself.
Another example of selfishness, I had two wonderful seat mates, husband and wife who for the entire 3 hour flight were BOTH blowing their noses constantly snorting back the runny nose and coughing, I’m sure it was allergies right rookie, people wouldn’t travel when contagious would they?

Going through ones career looking at one’s customers as the enemy seems a miserable existence.

I have flown a lot. In my observations, Most people don’t seem any trouble whatsoever.

You’re quite the ornery individual, you act like they harassed someone with perfectly healthy complexion, she looked contagious and as I mentioned, people are fucking selfish and WILL travel when contagious because people don’t give a rats ass about anyone else!
How hard is it to understand, this person looked ill and was asked to prove she could travel in a pressurized vessel without spreading a fucking contagious disease.
You are so willing to push your agenda against airlines that you completely overlook the obvious, 99% of the travellers go on about their business without being harassed and if you look ill, you should be prepared to prove you are good to go

[CaptDukeNukem]

Because rookie, it’s far more that lie than you believe, a recent example, woman with a “2 year old” lap baby who can stand up on the floor and look out the window, carry on a conversation and for frick sakes sitting on moms lap, his head was damn near above hers and no she was not super small herself.
Another example of selfishness, I had two wonderful seat mates, husband and wife who for the entire 3 hour flight were BOTH blowing their noses constantly snorting back the runny nose and coughing, I’m sure it was allergies right rookie, people wouldn’t travel when contagious would they?

Going through ones career looking at one’s customers as the enemy seems a miserable existence.

I have flown a lot. In my observations, Most people don’t seem any trouble whatsoever.

You’re quite the ornery individual, you act like they harassed someone with perfectly healthy complexion, she looked contagious and as I mentioned, people are fucking selfish and WILL travel when contagious because people don’t give a rats ass about anyone else!
How hard is it to understand, this person looked ill and was asked to prove she could travel in a pressurized vessel without spreading a fucking contagious disease.
You are so willing to push your agenda against airlines that you completely overlook the obvious, 99% of the travellers go on about their business without being harassed and if you look ill, you should be prepared to prove you are good to go

Yea and she volunteered proving discharge paperwork from a hospital yet the crew didn’t want to look at it. Kick someone off cuz their skin looks bad. Great look on an airline. Why do you need to prove that you’re “good to go”. Do you know how many crew fly sick cuz they can’t afford to book off? You’re a joke.

[cdnavater]

Going through ones career looking at one’s customers as the enemy seems a miserable existence.

I have flown a lot. In my observations, Most people don’t seem any trouble whatsoever.

You’re quite the ornery individual, you act like they harassed someone with perfectly healthy complexion, she looked contagious and as I mentioned, people are fucking selfish and WILL travel when contagious because people don’t give a rats ass about anyone else!
How hard is it to understand, this person looked ill and was asked to prove she could travel in a pressurized vessel without spreading a fucking contagious disease.
You are so willing to push your agenda against airlines that you completely overlook the obvious, 99% of the travellers go on about their business without being harassed and if you look ill, you should be prepared to prove you are good to go

Yea and she volunteered proving discharge paperwork from a hospital yet the crew didn’t want to look at it. Kick someone off cuz their skin looks bad. Great look on an airline. Why do you need to prove that you’re “good to go”. Do you know how many crew fly sick cuz they can’t afford to book off? You’re a joke.

So fn tired of you, discharge is the not the same as you can fly written by a doctor. You can be discharged with instructions to avoid people, a doctors note saying you can fly is completely different and the airlines right to request if they suspect illness!
Go to YTS on your paid vacay. Idiot!

[CaptDukeNukem]

You’re quite the ornery individual, you act like they harassed someone with perfectly healthy complexion, she looked contagious and as I mentioned, people are fucking selfish and WILL travel when contagious because people don’t give a rats ass about anyone else!
How hard is it to understand, this person looked ill and was asked to prove she could travel in a pressurized vessel without spreading a fucking contagious disease.
You are so willing to push your agenda against airlines that you completely overlook the obvious, 99% of the travellers go on about their business without being harassed and if you look ill, you should be prepared to prove you are good to go

Yea and she volunteered proving discharge paperwork from a hospital yet the crew didn’t want to look at it. Kick someone off cuz their skin looks bad. Great look on an airline. Why do you need to prove that you’re “good to go”. Do you know how many crew fly sick cuz they can’t afford to book off? You’re a joke.

So fn tired of you, discharge is the not the same as you can fly written by a doctor. You can be discharged with instructions to avoid people, a doctors note saying you can fly is completely different and the airlines right to request if they suspect illness!
Go to YTS on your paid vacay. Idiot!

Cool. I personally love how tired you are of me. Frankly it keeps me going. So thanks

You still haven’t answered my question about crew being sick. Your crew briefing tomorrow should include your FO coughs tomorrow in the flight deck.

There’s a TON of skin diseases that aren’t communicable. To “assume” is to make an ass of u and me and frankly discrimination.

[digits_]

A great example of a polarizing topic. On a scale of 1 (siding with passenger ) to 100 (siding with the airline), the majority of the people would likely be at a 49 or 51, so ultimately deciding something differently but yet be very closely together really. But the Almighty Internet quickly rounds that up and down to either a 1 or 100 camp.

A few thoughts:
- most people don't like travelling with or right next to a sickly looking person
- I have never seen discharge papers from a hospital. I wouldn't know the value of it. I suspect some crew members had no clue what it was, and if it was real
- it's not easy to talk to a human being while making a booking
- A healthy person should not be challenged merely for looking different
- people lie
- not everybody lies
- not everybody assumes everyone is lying
- the fallout of an airline allowing an obviously sick person to travel with a nasty looking disease would be horrible PR
- with the recent covid stuff, airline employees are likely still a bit more on edge regarding health issues
- in the end she was allowed to fly after a medical assessment

[7ECA]

Discharge papers from a hospital tend to go over instructions relating to prescription and OTC medications, wound/dressing care, meds received, treatments received, post-surgical care, etc. They're not a document that tends to say, "you're now healthy" or anything along those lines. Hell, depending on the complexity of the care received, they can be a rather voluminous set of notes/instructions.

A "fit to fly" document, on the other hand, states just that - that a person is fit to fly in the event that there was some doubt. I've heard of people whom have been denied boarding for being intoxicated at the gate, were required to sober up and get a fit to fly document from a doctor prior to being allowed to board a re-booked flight. It might sound stupid in the case of a drunk, but in the case of a more significant medical emergency on/in/around an airplane or an airport, it's a damned good way for an airline to CYA.

[rookiepilot]

And stop selling alcohol in airports!

Notice no one wants to touch this. Easiest layup to reduce issues. Maybe none on planes too.

[Red_Comet]

To answer the title of the thread:

Because Canada and West as a whole is transitioning to a low-trust society. Google it if you don't understand the term. In a low trust society, many altruistic/cooperative actions that were deemed culturally appropriate in a high-trust society are abandoned. As such, the state must begin legislating and enforcing smaller and smaller matters (e.g. spitting on streets, chewing gum, showing up sick to flights, etc.). This inevitably leads to a totalitarian state.

Don't worry rookie, you'll have much bigger problems soon. We're on a fast track to 100 million Canadians (with a majority from a particular southeast Asian country), so buckle up! You'll be pining for the days where a scabby woman on a plane was the worst of your woes. But hey, those property values sure do keep going up! Boomers are richer than ever!

[rookiepilot]

To answer the title of the thread:

Because Canada and West as a whole is transitioning to a low-trust society. Google it if you don't understand the term. In a low trust society, many altruistic/cooperative actions that were deemed culturally appropriate in a high-trust society are abandoned. As such, the state must begin legislating and enforcing smaller and smaller matters (e.g. spitting on streets, chewing gum, showing up sick to flights, etc.). This inevitably leads to a totalitarian state.

Don't worry rookie, you'll have much bigger problems soon. We're on a fast track to 100 million Canadians (with a majority from a particular southeast Asian country), so buckle up! You'll be pining for the days where a scabby woman on a plane was the worst of your woes. But hey, those property values sure do keep going up! Boomers are richer than ever!

Nailed it. See the UK law against posting — even reposting— content they don’t like?
Jail.

[cdnavater]

To answer the title of the thread:

Because Canada and West as a whole is transitioning to a low-trust society. Google it if you don't understand the term. In a low trust society, many altruistic/cooperative actions that were deemed culturally appropriate in a high-trust society are abandoned. As such, the state must begin legislating and enforcing smaller and smaller matters (e.g. spitting on streets, chewing gum, showing up sick to flights, etc.). This inevitably leads to a totalitarian state.

Don't worry rookie, you'll have much bigger problems soon. We're on a fast track to 100 million Canadians (with a majority from a particular southeast Asian country), so buckle up! You'll be pining for the days where a scabby woman on a plane was the worst of your woes. But hey, those property values sure do keep going up! Boomers are richer than ever!

I would gladly trade a loss on my property value to prevent the above, I’m with you though, my general thoughts towards Canadian values is, they no longer exist.

[rookiepilot]

To answer the title of the thread:

Because Canada and West as a whole is transitioning to a low-trust society. Google it if you don't understand the term. In a low trust society, many altruistic/cooperative actions that were deemed culturally appropriate in a high-trust society are abandoned. As such, the state must begin legislating and enforcing smaller and smaller matters (e.g. spitting on streets, chewing gum, showing up sick to flights, etc.). This inevitably leads to a totalitarian state.

Don't worry rookie, you'll have much bigger problems soon. We're on a fast track to 100 million Canadians (with a majority from a particular southeast Asian country), so buckle up! You'll be pining for the days where a scabby woman on a plane was the worst of your woes. But hey, those property values sure do keep going up! Boomers are richer than ever!

I would gladly trade a loss on my property value to prevent the above, I’m with you though, my general thoughts towards Canadian values is, they no longer exist.

No you would not. Lets get real.

You are like most every other boomer out there. You want continuously rising home prices to fund your lifestyle, but also don't want any immigration or increased density or traffic. Or higher taxes. Oh and you want the young people to pay you top dollar when you ready to serve time in assisted living, and you slag them for laziness cause they balk at paying 2M for your 30 yr old house bought for 80K

Its ok. Can be honest.

As you said-- because people don’t give a rats ass about anyone else!

[eyebrow737]

No you would not. Lets get real.

You are like most every other boomer out there. You want continuously rising home prices to fund your lifestyle, but also don't want any immigration or increased density or traffic. Or higher taxes. Oh and you want the young people to pay you top dollar when you ready to serve time in assisted living, and you slag them for laziness cause they balk at paying 2M for your 30 yr old house bought for 80K

Its ok. Can be honest.

As you said-- because people don’t give a rats ass about anyone else!

This comment reflects several key personality traits and potential underlying psychological factors. Let's analyze it:

1. Cynicism and Distrust: The individual expresses a strong sense of cynicism, particularly towards older generations, indicating a belief that they act out of self-interest without regard for others. This may suggest a worldview shaped by experiences of disappointment or perceived hypocrisy.

2. Projection: The comment might involve projection, where the individual attributes their own frustrations or negative feelings to others. The accusation that others "don't give a rats ass about anyone else" could reflect a broader disillusionment with society or personal relationships.

3. Hostility and Anger: The tone of the comment is confrontational and accusatory, which could indicate underlying anger or frustration, possibly stemming from perceived socioeconomic injustices. The reference to financial disparities (e.g., rising home prices and the burden on younger generations) suggests a deeper frustration with economic systems or generational inequities.

4. Generational Conflict: The comment highlights a strong sense of generational conflict, painting the "boomer" generation in a highly negative light. This indicates a perceived divide and a possible internalization of stereotypes about different age groups.

5. Moral Judgement: The individual appears to make a moral judgement about the older generation's behavior, implying they are selfish or hypocritical. This reflects a possible desire for fairness or justice, but also a rigidity in viewing the world in black-and-white terms.

6. Defensiveness: The closing statement, "It's ok. Can be honest," might suggest defensiveness, as if the individual expects others to challenge or refute their viewpoint. It could also imply a belief that they are more "realistic" or "honest" than others, which could be a defense mechanism against perceived criticism or disagreement.

Overall, this comment could suggest a person who feels disenfranchised or disillusioned, possibly struggling with feelings of anger and cynicism towards societal structures and older generations. Their worldview appears to be shaped by a sense of injustice and frustration, which they express through harsh criticism and confrontational language.

[nohojob]

Or simply put : Rookie hates Boomers !

[DanWEC]

Meh, that ChatGPT analysis just described every pilot here on Avcanada anyways.

It's 10am, can we drink yet?

[rookiepilot]

Meh, that ChatGPT analysis just described every pilot here on Avcanada anyways.

It's 10am, can we drink yet?

Ha! And yes, some of us can copy and paste.

I am curious— what part of my paragraph is factually wrong?

Open to interpretation

[Old fella]

Boomer….. guess I am not liked by the AvCanada fraternity or some of’em

[cdnavater]

Meh, that ChatGPT analysis just described every pilot here on Avcanada anyways.

It's 10am, can we drink yet?

Ha! And yes, some of us can copy and paste.

I am curious— what part of my paragraph is factually wrong?

Open to interpretation

First of all, it’s entirely factually wrong because you started it with, “you are like”, therefore you we describing how you think I feel, which non of it was correct, other than the part where I said people don’t give a rats ass about other people.
And yes ChatGPT, my views are shaped by my experiences!

[rookiepilot]

Meh, that ChatGPT analysis just described every pilot here on Avcanada anyways.

It's 10am, can we drink yet?

Ha! And yes, some of us can copy and paste.

I am curious— what part of my paragraph is factually wrong?

Open to interpretation

First of all, it’s entirely factually wrong because you started it with, “you are like”, therefore you we describing how you think I feel, which non of it was correct, other than the part where I said people don’t give a rats ass about other people.
And yes ChatGPT, my views are shaped by my experiences!

But its fine to say I hate boomers? (Not the case) Or AC pilots? Or any other labels?

Hate the behaviour, not people.

Hyprocrisy is a good look.

[rookiepilot]

Boomer….. guess I am not liked by the AvCanada fraternity or some of’em

I hate government policy that has built the canadian economy explicitly on continuously rising home prices, not on building things, and what that is doing to the next generation. All to buy retiree votes and stay in power.

Enthusiastically voted for , by boomers.

[munzil]

Boomer….. guess I am not liked by the AvCanada fraternity or some of’em

I hate government policy that has built the canadian economy explicitly on continuously rising home prices, not on building things, and what that is doing to the next generation. All to buy retiree votes and stay in power.

Enthusiastically voted for , by boomers.

I couldn't agree with you more on the first point, however, your irrational hate of a demographic of the society based solely on their birthdate is beyond irrational and bordering on bigotry.

Any sensible person knows that boomers, or any other generation for that matter voted for a variety of parties, didn't dictate policy and in reality were just trying to make their way through life like the rest of us.

You sound like you have been exposed to too many division campaigns and not to enough critical thinking skills.

Not a good look for a pilot bud.