TT logged as a PPL or CPL?

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:49 pm

This is a bit of a long background..sorry

Recently, I struck up a conversation with a pilot "X" from one of the local aviation colleges before departing on a local flight. We shot the usual pilot b.s. ..where you going..what license are you working on etc. Once I told him /her I had 400TT (hopefully 500 by the end of the season)pilot "X's said " Did you log those 400TT with your Cpl in hand or your PPL. I told pilot "x"I did, indeed log that 400TT as a private pilot flying for CASARA and Air Cadets on the weekend. At this time pilot "X" said "well that time isn't worth anything according to my instructor because its wasn't logged as a holder of a Cpl."

Over the past few years, I have been working on a degree, working in the mining industry, flying on weekend for cadets and doing a bit of float time building on the side.

Eventually, I had the intention of completting my CPL after school had calmed down and I could put a full 100% into my CPL/ IATRA test. * and have the money to finish my CPL MEIFR-excluding the X/C/ time building portion *

After this was complete, I intended on applying for a job in up North or out East. I never considered that logging a bit of time as a PPL license holder ( as opposed to a CPL) holder would handicap me when applying for work?

Is this just another rumor generated by the colleges? Or is there some truth to this matter?

Thanks in advance!

. . · Post by **. .** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:57 pm

what aviation college is that idiot going to? He is 100% wrong. If you had a Rec permit it would still count.

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:48 pm

Endless,

Thanks for the info. As of late, I am not impressed with the cocky attitudes of SOME college students. I figured the same myself.

..this does not top it off tho..I've heard similar students discuss getting on with AC with a CPL/ 40 hours on a A340 class sim..so ...There seems to be alot of " my first job is gonna be in a 704 without having done any ramp time .. after grad ..because we are superior ".. kinda attitude.

I would rather not give out the schools name over a public forum.

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:02 am

Any "loggable" time will count towards the 200 hour total time requirement for the CPL (or ATPL requirement, for that matter-- co-pilot time is another story, but not going there now).

There is a 65 hour training requirement for the CPL... 30 hours dual, and 35 hours solo. Although you may be able to count some of your time that you aquired towards the solo requirement, you will need to complete the dual requirement with a flight instructor to meet the licencing requirements. It will also have to be recorded in a PTR ("Pilot Training Record").

In short, yes, your time counts... of course! But... there are additional requirements. Of course. But, I guessed you knew that.

Just my 2 cents.

-Guy

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:14 am

Thanks TC Guy,

Yes, I did know about the dual/ solo requirements. I was speaking from a more "first job standpoint". Nonetheless, insight is good.

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:27 am

canpilot wrote:Thanks TC Guy,

Yes, I did know about the dual/ solo requirements. I was speaking from a more "first job standpoint". Nonetheless, insight is good.

I would suggest that CASARA would look great on a resume.

From the summary of your experience, I would say that you have an excellent start in this industry. Don't let someone else tell you otherwise.

-Guy

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:36 pm

At this time pilot "X" said "well that time isn't worth anything according to my instructor because its wasn't logged as a holder of a Cpl."

Time is time. Pilot X is mentally retarded.

Pugster · Post by **Pugster** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:53 pm

canpilot wrote: ..this does not top it off tho..I've heard similar students discuss getting on with AC with a CPL/ 40 hours on a A340 class sim..so ...

Ignorance is bliss...let them live in a fantasy world for a while - eventually they are going to have to grow up and face the reality that a seat in a heavy has to be earned (at least in Canada!).

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:07 pm

So, how does this(these) guys apply for a job??

License - CPL

Total time 155????

Highflyinpilot · Post by **Highflyinpilot** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:21 pm

I can attest that it wasn't confederation college that BS their students, so that ones out. In fact they tell you right off the bat "you'll be working for shit in butt @#$! nowhere, and it wont probably be a flying job either, it'll be on the dock or ramp. and oh ya, for those of you wanting to become a pilot for the chicks, it won't work" In so many words

fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:02 pm

Sounds like something Syd would say.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:34 pm

Given that Canpilot's location is in Richmond BC, I think we can all get a pretty good idea of which college porgram it might be... atleast narrowed to 2.

tailwind · Post by **tailwind** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:14 pm

i know when i was attending a "certain" college....they used to tell the students that past classes were hired by Air Canada right after graduation... the entire class....lol
they also had what is called the Air Canada award, which gives the best acedemic student each year an interview with air canada.... I am quite sure no one has ever been hired out of that interview...
they also tell you from the get go that you are better than everbody else in the college because you are in this program...TRULY
just some insight as to where the hot head egos come from and the misinformation provided to them

B-rad · Post by **B-rad** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:36 pm

short bus · Post by **short bus** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:17 pm

If you're already tanked at 5:30, just a heads up, you might have a drinking problem.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:57 pm

B-rad wrote:
cyyz wrote:So, how does this(these) guys apply for a job??

License - CPL

Total time 155????
umm dont ya mean

Licence -CPL
TT-O

i mean scince the Pilot X stated it needs to be time built with your CPL. anyway this thread is pretty much dead i realise. i guess this is just another drunk post..

Oh no you didnt!

indeed... lol..

frac · Post by **frac** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:09 pm

TC Guy wrote: There is a 65 hour training requirement for the CPL... 30 hours dual, and 35 hours solo. Although you may be able to count some of your time that you aquired towards the solo requirement, you will need to complete the dual requirement with a flight instructor to meet the licencing requirements. It will also have to be recorded in a PTR ("Pilot Training Record").
-Guy

On a side note, can you enlight me on the PTR requirement? From what I read, a CPL-A is based on the RAC 421.30 requirements. There is no requirements for A PTR in 421.30.

I fully understand that a PTR is a requirement on the instructor side based on 405.33 and the PTR content is defined by 425.33 but Suppose that I am a Multi-IR/Night/VFR-OTT PPL-A with over 500 hours TT and roughly 100 post PPL dual time (VFR-OTT, Multi-Engine, Night, IFR, Various Checkouts at different flying clubs, dual to meet some recency requirements etc..) and I am requesting credit based on 421.30 sub 7. My understanding was as long as I could properly document that I meet 421.30(4) requirements (either directly or via 421.30(7) credits) the PTR was a requirements on the Instructor or FTU side but not on the license applicant side (am I mistaken, I need some guidance on that).

Obviously I would need a recommandation letter in order to be presented to the flight test and the preparation for the flight test will then have to be documented in the PTR since it is considered commercial pilot training by a qualified instructor.

Please help me to understand.

Regards,

Frac