Multi enigine

fly1_777 · Post by **fly1_777** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:51 pm

hey

which place is best to do the multi engine rating from around the GTA or around it ?

Pilot_adam · Post by **Pilot_adam** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:36 pm

One word Peninsulair

http://www.peninsulair.com

Good luck

Adam

alpha1 · Post by **alpha1** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:50 am

anyone done their multi at toronto airways recently? if so watcha think?

thanks in advance.

l_reason · Post by **l_reason** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:36 am

Its worth the 4 hour drive to the shitty town of Cornwall give them a call and they will have you done in 2-3 days. It took me and a few other guys doing it at the time about 5 hours including the ride. They have an examiner on staff.

Look them up in the CFS. CYCC

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:15 am

Toronto Airways...two twins, experienced instructors, free parking, no ferry and right off the 404.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:28 pm

has anyone done there rating with Kawartha Lakes Flight Centre? There web page looks like they have reasonable rates in a Seneca.

How about 310's to train on in ontario...is there anyone who still has one? I bet that would be fun to learn on...I dont know much about it, but it looks like a neat little twin.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:49 pm

A C310 is a nice airplane, but I'm not sure it's your best choice for a trainer. It's faster and more expensive than a trainer needs to be, and not the best choice for engines for pulling throttles all the time.

Also, especially without the vortex generators, it's less forgiving during the landing than say an apache or aztec. You pull the throttles too high, and you're going to come down like a ton of bricks.

I might suggest a duchess or seminole for multi training.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:08 pm

" Also, especially without the vortex generators, it's less forgiving during the landing than say an apache or aztec. You pull the throttles too high, and you're going to come down like a ton of bricks."

Not if they have sufficient airspeed and know when to flare and how to land.

A good instructor will make sure they do, remember the Space Shuttle also has a high descent rate but they manage to land it without the power crutch.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:31 pm

It's my, as usual, less than humble opinion, that you should learn your multi flying in the most ferocious, nasty, meanest, kick-ass, beast of an twin you can find! Or, you can go with one of the new "girl" twins. Ya just won't earn my respect!

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:45 pm

It's my, as usual, less than humble opinion, that you should learn your multi flying in the most ferocious, nasty, meanest, kick-ass, beast of an twin you can find! Or, you can go with one of the new "girl" twins. Ya just won't earn my respect!

So what do you suggest Doc? It seems all there is around are the usual twins to learn on. Any good suggestions that are a change in pace, but arent to overwhelming for a student?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:46 pm

A Grumman Tiger Cat would be a good challenge! Or a P-38?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:23 pm

Naw, Doc, both those are nose wheel airplanes.

If you want a real challenge just go learn on the Grumman Turbo Goose, then you will be able to understand how to fly a real squirrely little devil.

Especially on the runway......

Cat

x-wind · Post by **x-wind** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:00 pm

A P-38 lol !

Maybe something with a critical engine would be a good idea if learning for Commercial Ops. A Twin Comanche perhaps.

I would go with the Grumman Goose if I had the choice though, that way one could get a a multi-IFR and a Sea-plane license all at once!

Oh and this subject was addressed on these forums awhile back (my guess is a year ago) try looking that up for more opinions.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:11 pm

How about Barons..what are they like? Any of those around in ontario...other then seneca i think?

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:48 pm

A Baron is similar to a 310 - big, heavy, expensive and fast - except that it's parts cost more. Again, not the most economical choice for a multi-trainer ... unless you have the taxpayer footing the bill for your training, of course!

The comanche got a very bad name as a multi trainer before most everyone here was born - back in the 60's.

I agree that an (aerodynamically) critical engine is nice to have for multi training. They're all so bloody old, but I kinda liked the old Apache for a multi trainer. I know, the flying sperm, it's incredibly ugly, but it had the tough, cheap 4 cyl Lyc O-320 - great choice for a multi trainer.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:11 pm

Peninsulair

We have reasonable rates and the best instructors (IMHO) in the industry.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:46 pm

Cessna 310....good trainer. Fast. Great roll rate. Handles really well. My favorite. And that nose gear is tough. I had a nose tire go flat on gravel twice. Full cock (can I say that?) but did not collapse!
Aztec/Apache.....Aztec was a great trainer. No 310, but they will carry pretty much anything you can close the door on! A little slow on the controls, but very user friendly. Apache....what can I say? If you can bring one home on one, with a load...you can fly any twin!
Twin Comanche....fun to fly. Cheap on gas. Good range. A slight positive angle of attack on landing...so, if you aren't right on it....it floats. No big. Never used one as a trainer...but why not?
Baron......if you can afford one....nice flying habits. Probably the best of the bunch. As a trainer? A little to many $$$$$?
Travel Air.....probably the most popular of the older twins.
Seneca, Dutches, Cougar, Seminole.......never been in any of them. Well, Okay, I did one charter from Stratford to ORD in a Seneca I. Piece of shit! Second only to a Lark Commander!

niwre · Post by **niwre** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:51 am

Hedley wrote:A Baron is similar to a 310 - big, heavy, expensive and fast - except that it's parts cost more. Again, not the most economical choice for a multi-trainer ... unless you have the taxpayer footing the bill for your training, of course!

Gov't money is always nice. When I recieved some I did my training at BarXh (also did my instructors there) and found their twin training program to be very thurough. A word to the wise is that one should concentrate on twin only and dont do what I did and go between a C172 (instructors rating) and a BE55. It made the twin training a little longer and more expensive (obviously).