CYYJ Shell

ramp_agent · Post by **ramp_agent** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:36 pm

It's a small industry, to the YYJ shell person who raped pilots with high gas prices thie night YVR was shut down karma is a bitch.

Bad FBO's spread like wildfire among pilots and I was not there but sounds like Esso with be getting more business pretty quick.

Shame on you!

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:28 pm

Wha? YVR shell was shut down? Not as far as I've heard...

Hapless · Post by **Hapless** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:55 pm

No, YVR as in the airport was pretty much shutdown Friday night.....

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=26048

only runway 12...many planes diverted.

Took one of ours a 1.1...YYJ-YVR, usually a 0.2, due to a hold...that's how backed up it was.

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:51 pm

That night was so wild. I heard Esso at YYJ might build an FBO. Hell ESSO sells the fuel to Shell because they own the Fuel yard!

Human Factor · Post by **Human Factor** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:00 pm

privateer wrote:That night was so wild. I heard Esso at YYJ might build an FBO. Hell ESSO sells the fuel to Shell because they own the Fuel yard!

Shell at YYJ is owned by Vancouver Island Helicopters. If you're angry, talk to them.

The idea of an Esso FBO at YYJ has been floating around since Pacific Skies (owner of Viking Air to name but one of their many interests) bought them. The original plan was to build a hangar to house 3 737s, one of which is P4-PHS (737-500, privately owned by Pacific Skies but is available for charter IIRC) and create the FBO. They even went as far as buying Navair's property after they were shut down as it had airside access but subsequent testing of the apron revealed that it wasn't strong enough to handle the weight of a commercial airliner. Nothing has happened since then as far as I've heard.

It certainly would be nice to have a proper Esso Avitat FBO in YYJ, only time will tell if it happens.

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:41 pm

ramp_agent wrote:It's a small industry, to the YYJ shell person who raped pilots with high gas prices thie night YVR was shut down karma is a bitch.

Bad FBO's spread like wildfire among pilots and I was not there but sounds like Esso with be getting more business pretty quick.

Shame on you!

Well said.

piperville · Post by **piperville** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:41 pm

Hey, first of all if you were not there then keep your yap shut! Shell has a fixed price at the FBO and can't won't and doesn't raise prices in these situations. If the guy came in after hours maybe he got a small call out fee which is more than fair considering the line techs have a life too. I have enquired with the site in question and this comment you made is bull. Keep your rumors to yourself. Get a life. Next time have the balls to sign your name!

Rp

Gramps · Post by **Gramps** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:06 pm

"Piperville"...

Nice first post! BTW, YYJ Shell has the dubious honor of bring the 2nd highest $$ fuel in the West, close behind Shell at CYEG. I see a common denominator here

I remember the night a few years back when we showed up there in the wee hours looking for fuel. Shell jet truck broke down earlier in the day (thanks for the heads up on THAT one) and someone at the YYJ Shell was not very dignified responding to my query regarding having the Esso truck fuel me on your apron. Oh well, what's another start in the big scheme of things, right?

The second Esso gets something a bit nicer for the pax, I doubt I'll take the first left off taxiway "S".

I have always felt that many CDN FBO's could do with a trip to an FBO south of the border.

Just shootin' my yap off I guess. But hey, I guess I can because I've been there, right?? And would it surprise me if the prices got jacked for just a little while?? Not in the least...

Not my first post, just an observation...

ramp_agent · Post by **ramp_agent** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:07 pm

Hey Piperville,

It will be hard for you to make your case when I used to work for shell on the ramp and have seen how your pricing is done. There is no governed price on aviation fuel as there is when you fill up your car.

Its very easy to charge different rates customer to customer. Clients who buy more fuel get better rates agreed but there is fine line. Perhaps if you charged less people would but more fuel.

Why do I take a personal interest, because I believe all canadian FBO's have taken advantage of the aviation boom with shitty service. You are no exception.

...and piperville, don't worry you won't have to fill my plane any time soon.

piperville · Post by **piperville** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:38 pm

So what was the originol issue here?
No one jacks up prices when theres bad weather! Shell OR Esso.
I'm closer to it than you think. I'd be careful when bashing companies on the airport. I'm actualy really surprised that this site allows it. Guess that will be my next e mail. To a lawyer about slander charges. Pretty easy to sit back after a few beers and vent. Maybe we should all discuss airlines? And the lovely service we get. Big and small! Make up some bull. Who's first?!

not a fly boy! · Post by **not a fly boy!** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:19 pm

Sounds like a lot of people don' know what they are talking about here. Or maybe just don't have anything better to do but tell lies and degrade companies out of ignorance and jelousy!
"Esso owns the Fuel yard" is this someones yard that is full of fuel...and u work in aviation?
I'm pretty sure it would be fair and good business practice to sell fuel at the same price to someone that purchases 500,000 litres of fuel annually vs 10,000 anually.
Pull you head out...maybe u should all try an easier forum.
Cheers Piperville. At least someone here has a brain!

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:31 am

Yawn...

NEXT!

drifter · Post by **drifter** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:53 am

shelby wrote: I'm pretty sure it would be fair and good business practice to sell fuel at the same price to someone that purchases 500,000 litres of fuel annually vs 10,000 anually.
Pull you head out...maybe u should all try an easier forum.

Think about what you just said. Do you really think that there is no benifit for people that buy extremely huge volumes of gas. I used to work for a company that had a 17 aircraft fleet that each took a MINIMUM 1000lbs of gas a day on average. We paid a rate that was quite a bit lower than the competition across the ramp.

Buy more pay less. Its how it works in the FBO business. The lower cost is off set by volume. Trust me.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:02 pm

This is awesome. A fueller's war on avcanada. It's like the special olympics on tv.

not a fly boy! · Post by **not a fly boy!** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:14 pm

Drifter,
I was being sarcastic as I don't beleive that Ramp_Agent has a clue on how an FBO operation is run. This topic should never been started, as there is absolutely no truth to the initial statement.
If in fact YYJ did have to deal with the situation of YVR being shut down and planes diverted, any aircraft involved would have ramp fees waived and would receive fuel at either the PAP, or contract fuel price.
Granted, YYJ has extremely high fuel prices (its located on a Island!), the operator of the FBO has no control over that.
I totally agree that fuel pricing should and does reflect upon volume.

drifter · Post by **drifter** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Now I feel like a tard.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:19 pm

I love it when people threaten litigation! Makes me all LOL inside

Eh Pilit · Post by **Eh Pilit** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:07 pm

WTF is YYJ ?! How far is it from Toronto? Is it East of the 427? If it is, I ain't been there yet.

pilotdreams · Post by **pilotdreams** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:06 am

Victoria International on Vancouver Island, Wet coast of Canada

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