You know, we (or at least I do) think the fact that Jazz is hiring Seneca grads, is a slap in the face, to those of us (or at least you young folk) who have been trying to break into the airline business by working in the industry for several years.
BUT
For companies like Bearskin, CMA, Voyageur, and like operations, this would be a bloody brilliant idea! Think of it. No more bonds. A fresh grad would be "stuck" with the employer for at least two years. Right now, some of these ops can't even get pilots to show up for interviews! But if Bearskin (not picking on the "bear" here, just using them as an example) were to run "job fairs" at the colleges, they'd have all the FO's they'd need. 250 hours and an IFR is all they need...oh sure...they think they need 1500 hours... but they ain't getting any!
Thoughts?
Hiring Flight College grads....
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TopperHarley
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Agreed. I still think though that some of these companies would keep the bonds. From their perspective, they're getting a 250hr pilot who is desperate for a job, so they might think they can get away by paying less and signing more papers. But I doubt they'd get away with bonding more experienced guys.
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
My god I think I'm going to be sick!!! However I would love to be a fly on the wall on that flightdeck. Oh boy what a shit show. Also if I ever see a resume on my desk of a pilot with no time and Jazz on their resume I will be calling just to yell!!! Sick!!!!
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Check out the thread in Air Canada/Jazz forum called "Jazz Hiring" - its near the top as everyone's going balistic. Note my post regarding what will happen to variety of training avail, and Ontario gov just helping Mr. Dow at TC accomplish his objective of really controlling flight training. Kelowna Pilot also brings up several good points.
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“Given all things being equal, the simplest answer to a question will be the correct one.”
Simply put, they are running out of candidates with any sort of time or with any sort of skill. Not at this time…but they are starting to! Talked to a friend, who met a guy, who dated a girls whose mother once drove this guy down to the airport somewhere who told here that he knew this Jazz training fella who said that this is the case. On top of that out of 8 candidates for sim, on this one particular day, 4 flunked out.
As for just Seneca, it’s not. There are other colleges involved as well. So if all you folks with time would like to go down for an interview, all of the captains who might have to fly with these potential direct entry pilots thank you.
Simply put, they are running out of candidates with any sort of time or with any sort of skill. Not at this time…but they are starting to! Talked to a friend, who met a guy, who dated a girls whose mother once drove this guy down to the airport somewhere who told here that he knew this Jazz training fella who said that this is the case. On top of that out of 8 candidates for sim, on this one particular day, 4 flunked out.
As for just Seneca, it’s not. There are other colleges involved as well. So if all you folks with time would like to go down for an interview, all of the captains who might have to fly with these potential direct entry pilots thank you.
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Hahaha.Talked to a friend, who met a guy, who dated a girls whose mother once drove this guy down to the airport somewhere who told here that he knew this Jazz training fella who said that this is the case.
I wonder if people with 500 to 1000 hours will go back to the aviation college and re-enroll and do the program all over again just so they can have a shot at Jazz.
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haha - good point.
k folks,, if Jazz hires Newbies this is PLAIN BS!!!
1) there are plenty of more experienced/qualifed pilots on EI at the moment.
2) A goverment subsidized program should only be needed when supply does not equal demand, (I think there are still lots of pilots looking for work)
FOLKS ITS TIME TO WAKE UP AND UNITE! to protect all of us, low and high time.
1) there are plenty of more experienced/qualifed pilots on EI at the moment.
2) A goverment subsidized program should only be needed when supply does not equal demand, (I think there are still lots of pilots looking for work)
FOLKS ITS TIME TO WAKE UP AND UNITE! to protect all of us, low and high time.
Why not apply? Some of you could get together and rent FS' sim and get a couple hours in a Dash - then you would be sure to wow 'em.
Have you applied? Obviously, their 'minimums' are somewhat flexible, wouldn't you say?
If you all have so much "experience," why not hold their feet to the fire?
Like I said before "Xsbank's Number One Job Hunting Rule - Apply For The Job You Want, Not What You Think You Can Get!"
Ya, ya, I know, Blahblahblahblahblah.....
Have you applied? Obviously, their 'minimums' are somewhat flexible, wouldn't you say?
If you all have so much "experience," why not hold their feet to the fire?
Like I said before "Xsbank's Number One Job Hunting Rule - Apply For The Job You Want, Not What You Think You Can Get!"
Ya, ya, I know, Blahblahblahblahblah.....
"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
I wonder how the Seneca instructors teaching the new "Jazz grads" feel about what they are doing and that they will still be instructing the following year while their former students are off in the airline world wearing the dorky hats sitting on their hands in a Dash or RJ.
Shouldn't the instructors be better candidates for these new Jazz seats over the 250 hour wonders?
Shouldn't the instructors be better candidates for these new Jazz seats over the 250 hour wonders?
I'm curious what you guys think might be the long term ramifications of this?
Why go to any other school if seneca's going to get you direct to Jazz?(I know a lot of you enjoy the north but for 18 year old city folk cmon, no contest)
Seneca is gov't subsidized isn't it? Wonder if they'll keep that money flowing? If this works and seneca boots enrollment then thats a big tax sink to train Jazz pilots.
What happens to movement in other places if Jazz is filling more seats with radio operators er I mean noobies?
What kind of safety issues are going to come up with "senior" left seats and very green rights?
In a few years when a decent part of Jazz's pilots are still inexperienced and dont qualify for ATPLs what then? Maybe Jazz turns into the meat grinder for charters/other airlines.
Im really curious to see how this plays out in say, 5 years once all the craziness dies off. Are there any real details of this partnership yet? Restrictions? Duration? etc etc
Why go to any other school if seneca's going to get you direct to Jazz?(I know a lot of you enjoy the north but for 18 year old city folk cmon, no contest)
Seneca is gov't subsidized isn't it? Wonder if they'll keep that money flowing? If this works and seneca boots enrollment then thats a big tax sink to train Jazz pilots.
What happens to movement in other places if Jazz is filling more seats with radio operators er I mean noobies?
What kind of safety issues are going to come up with "senior" left seats and very green rights?
In a few years when a decent part of Jazz's pilots are still inexperienced and dont qualify for ATPLs what then? Maybe Jazz turns into the meat grinder for charters/other airlines.
Im really curious to see how this plays out in say, 5 years once all the craziness dies off. Are there any real details of this partnership yet? Restrictions? Duration? etc etc
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This is F***ing ridiculous. It irritates me to no end that they are doing this. What a slap in the face to all the people who have and are working up north or in crappy jobs to get good experience for years. It TOTALLY cheapens the company in my opinion. Tell people where you work and they think you must have got on with 200 hrs. I personally got on with well over 6000 and why did I bust my ass for the last 12 years?? I am sure they'll be able to do it (eventually) but I just have to shake my F***ing head!!
Sorry for the rant....
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Sorry for the rant....
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That's life!!!! I think its great for the new guys. In the early seventies, Air Canada and CP used to go and interview pilots at the colleges and half the classes went to AC, the other to CP. Its just the way it happened. So you were born at the wrong time.....live with it. My grandfather used to be able to support his family of 8 on a single income working at a lumber store. Try doing that today!! You can't, times change. To all the new guys, good luck. I hope that you don't have to fly the crap alot of us had to fly.
Cheers!
Cheers!
I don't see what the big deal is. I would rather train a 200 wonder who is overly keen then a 10,000hr guy who thinks they are owed the job. What I see so far is a lot of bitter pilots who "paid" their dues. Just because the rest of us had to go from job to job working for less then honorable companies why should everyone have to do it. I think its a fantastic sign of the times as far as pilots go, maybe now we can start earning a better living as a group all across the country.
I would also hazard a guess that Jazz is hiring from seneca because a few of their trainers teach at Seneca.
I would also hazard a guess that Jazz is hiring from seneca because a few of their trainers teach at Seneca.
I was wondering how everybody felt about this idea for smaller operators? Would it work?
And whipline, there are no 10,000 hour pilots out there, who could/would take a job at Jazz. They couldn't afford it! But, you'd rather see guys fresh out of Seneca, than guys who have worked a couple of years? Because they "think they are owed the job"??? Is that pretty much it? Everybody with any time thinks a job is owed to them? Do you have any friends in the industry? I'd like to see the most qualified person get the job. Not because they are female, French, Hispanic, native....OR....a recent grad from some aviation college?
And whipline, there are no 10,000 hour pilots out there, who could/would take a job at Jazz. They couldn't afford it! But, you'd rather see guys fresh out of Seneca, than guys who have worked a couple of years? Because they "think they are owed the job"??? Is that pretty much it? Everybody with any time thinks a job is owed to them? Do you have any friends in the industry? I'd like to see the most qualified person get the job. Not because they are female, French, Hispanic, native....OR....a recent grad from some aviation college?
Yu know what I applied with my whol 650 hrs
It is 3 times what the seneca dudes have
In my training I meet a few of the Seneca grads.
There attitude is amazing. They think they are gods gift to aviation
I llike to see when there aircraft goes upside down, are they going to push
or pull
What can yu d0, just hope the Captain doesn't die on the flight deck.
Then they might have to ask for any pilot in the back.
It is 3 times what the seneca dudes have
In my training I meet a few of the Seneca grads.
There attitude is amazing. They think they are gods gift to aviation
I llike to see when there aircraft goes upside down, are they going to push
or pull
What can yu d0, just hope the Captain doesn't die on the flight deck.
Then they might have to ask for any pilot in the back.
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Doc:::::
It's sort of like the secret handshake to be recognized in their world.
Copied this from the Jazz blog.
It's sort of like the secret handshake to be recognized in their world.
Copied this from the Jazz blog.
Unless you understand that kind of psyco babble developed by their experts you are hooped." Right now the focus of our discussion is developing the bridging program to prepare the college graduate for our training footprint. "
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I hear you Doc, when I finally reached the point that I just couldn't stand being dehumanized by morons any longer and quit it was the best decision I ever made as a pilot.
For about a year my e-mail was busy with clients asking me to do some more flying....I finally have convinced them I ain't for hire anymore.
I don't have much money, but I'm building a Cub to fly for fun and maybe do some training in if I run across some younguns who I feel deserve some help.
Leaving aviation will be a real treat for you..... you don't know jack shit about flying anyhow.
Didn't you know that the laws of physics and aerodynamics have changed and only those who know the secret handshake have the real stuff?
For about a year my e-mail was busy with clients asking me to do some more flying....I finally have convinced them I ain't for hire anymore.
I don't have much money, but I'm building a Cub to fly for fun and maybe do some training in if I run across some younguns who I feel deserve some help.
Leaving aviation will be a real treat for you..... you don't know jack shit about flying anyhow.
Didn't you know that the laws of physics and aerodynamics have changed and only those who know the secret handshake have the real stuff?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
