Just wondering if any of you have opinions (BS funny ones included) on what needs to happen in the industry for flight instructors to finally make enough pay to survive?
Personally, I've always thought that the only way would be to increase the costs of attaining a license (might not work) so employers could afford to pay their staff a more reasonable amount of money. Or maybe some kind of profit sharing (there's a good one!).
I know the solution of raising costs (including at the majors for the "other" side of the industry) is pretty radical...but I have a feeling that after a short time people would suck it up and continue flying and training.
Just a thought...and I'm curious to see what everybody thinks.
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Remember that after 9/11, when the insurance companies lost a bundle on the stock market, insurance rates everywhere soared.
Flight schools passed on that cost to their customers without hardly a ripple. The price went up, and remember that for years people had been saying that if instructors charged more, it would drive the customers away.
So when a flight school operator says that he can only afford to pay you $10 of the $38 that he charges a customer for every hour of your time, you have a right to be skeptical.
We pilots are our own worst enemies, and it's not just flight instruction. Too many pilots trying to cram into too few seats, a long way up the chain.
This supply of pilots vastly exceeding the demand for pilots causes the price for the "pilot commodity" to drop to ridiculously low levels - and in some cases go negative - and allows unscrupulous operators to treat pilots like dirt.
Before anybody reading this was born, unions figured out how to solve this problem. The problem is that an abusive union can shut a company down as quickly as abusive management. I'm not sure that either cure is better than the disease.
Flight schools passed on that cost to their customers without hardly a ripple. The price went up, and remember that for years people had been saying that if instructors charged more, it would drive the customers away.
So when a flight school operator says that he can only afford to pay you $10 of the $38 that he charges a customer for every hour of your time, you have a right to be skeptical.
We pilots are our own worst enemies, and it's not just flight instruction. Too many pilots trying to cram into too few seats, a long way up the chain.
This supply of pilots vastly exceeding the demand for pilots causes the price for the "pilot commodity" to drop to ridiculously low levels - and in some cases go negative - and allows unscrupulous operators to treat pilots like dirt.
Before anybody reading this was born, unions figured out how to solve this problem. The problem is that an abusive union can shut a company down as quickly as abusive management. I'm not sure that either cure is better than the disease.
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Two suggestions.
Flight training for commercial licenses should be exempt from Federal and Provincial taxes.
Have two classes of flight instructors.
( 1 ) One class for commercial training that requires minimum experience levels such as ten thousand hours of commercial flying outside of the instructional field. Then pay them a living wage.
( 2 ) The second class of instructor to remain as now, those who are starting out in the business.
It of course will never happen, especially the exemption from taxes, how would they hire more bureaucrats at TC without extorting the working mans hard earned money?
Cat
Flight training for commercial licenses should be exempt from Federal and Provincial taxes.
Have two classes of flight instructors.
( 1 ) One class for commercial training that requires minimum experience levels such as ten thousand hours of commercial flying outside of the instructional field. Then pay them a living wage.
( 2 ) The second class of instructor to remain as now, those who are starting out in the business.
It of course will never happen, especially the exemption from taxes, how would they hire more bureaucrats at TC without extorting the working mans hard earned money?
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Who pays a tennis instructor $50/hr? I paid my piano teacher $20/hr..SourApple wrote:If raising the /hr rate for instruction is what has to happen then so be it. There's no reason why a tennis instructor should make more than a flight instructor.
Flight instructors are paid $40+/hr that's the most expensive instruction I've ever seen[period]
Just because the instructor gets 30-50% of the going rate isn't an issue..
Secondly,
Ever thought that if a flight school only had 1 instructor instead of 10, the 1 guy could make over $100,000 a year??
So instead of raising prices, lets fire 90% of the instructors..
Problem solved.. "oops, I guess you didn't want to hear that part. Where you get zero hours and zero pay and back to mcdonald's you go, I guess?"
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LT :
How about instructors earning $ 350.00 dollars per hour?
Then they could concentrate on top quality instruction for say three hours a day and earn enough to get by.
Cat
How about instructors earning $ 350.00 dollars per hour?
Then they could concentrate on top quality instruction for say three hours a day and earn enough to get by.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Easy, tennis instuctor was an example. However, I'm pretty sure most people who teach/instruct at something, especially if their own training cost as much as say... getting your commerical licence and ratings, take home more than $15/hr. It's laughable that a professional like a flight instructor should make so little just like it's laughable that a King Air FO makes $24,000/year in this industry.
Flight instructors are not paid $40/hr. Out of that 40 they only get $15-25. Them only getting that isn't an issue? That's what the topic is; Flight instructors making enough to survive!
True some flight schools have too many instructors than required but you don't have to work at one of those to still make crap money. And firing all the instructors won't help the guy that now has to work 7 days a week all day long with no days off (What a lifestyle). I guess the fired guys can fill the spot when he/she augers in.
And no, I'm not an instructor right now but I was. I've been on the instructing side and the bush side and the money was never fantastic. Luckily now I'm in a flying job where I can eat and survive etc...
Flight instructors are not paid $40/hr. Out of that 40 they only get $15-25. Them only getting that isn't an issue? That's what the topic is; Flight instructors making enough to survive!
True some flight schools have too many instructors than required but you don't have to work at one of those to still make crap money. And firing all the instructors won't help the guy that now has to work 7 days a week all day long with no days off (What a lifestyle). I guess the fired guys can fill the spot when he/she augers in.
And no, I'm not an instructor right now but I was. I've been on the instructing side and the bush side and the money was never fantastic. Luckily now I'm in a flying job where I can eat and survive etc...
Well if working is so difficult and isn't wanted. I guess we'll have to go with Cat's suggestion,SourApple wrote: True some flight schools have too many instructors than required but you don't have to work at one of those to still make crap money. And firing all the instructors won't help the guy that now has to work 7 days a week all day long with no days off (What a lifestyle). I guess the fired guys can fill the spot when he/she augers in.
How about instructors earning $ 350.00 dollars per hour?
Then they could concentrate on top quality instruction for say three hours a day and earn enough to get by.
Exactly, so if your ramp rats are getting paid peanuts your F/O's are getting paid peanuts where do you see the logic that instructors should be making anymore than anyone else??It's laughable that a professional like a flight instructor should make so little just like it's laughable that a King Air FO makes $24,000/year in this industry.
I get the arguement, yes, it would be great if pilots(everyone including instructors) was paid more, especially since they dumped $40,000+ into it. But the only way to fix this problem is attrition,
when those flight schools hire 10 pilots and 6 quit because they can't survive, hurray for the 4 that stay, they'll get more students....
This industry is built on attrition, notice "Air Canada will see thousands(lol) of pilots retiring in the next XX years"
So, the only way to slow this curve is
A. over charge students so they stop flying and the market isn't flooded with people who will pay for training, ppc's, ramp work, etc.
B. Make the conditions even worse causing more pilots to quit, and people move up(if anyone is left to move up) and once the market dry of "talent," the pay and conditions will increase..
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Maybe the solution is to get ride of all the government funded flight schools like confed or Sault or at least make them pay 
...cuz then you would REALLY have to be determined to go to fly school...after all you have to pay thousands of dollars to be an MD...why not a pilot?
...cuz then you would REALLY have to be determined to go to fly school...after all you have to pay thousands of dollars to be an MD...why not a pilot?http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti ... hub=Canada
Looks like the government always has money to blow...
Paul Champagne, an Ottawa man who claims his wealth comes from the stock market, is being sued by the federal government and Hewlett-Packard.
They allege the former Department of National Defence employee stole over $100 million of taxpayers' money and they want to recover some of it.
Looks like the government always has money to blow...
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LT :
Charging $350.00 per hour is quite reasonable if you are specializing in an area that has little competition.
I do of course throw in the pre flight and post flight briefings for free.
Ocassionally I will do some local check rides and charge $50.00 per. hour for same, but that really is not enough to justify the time it takes to go to the airport and all that stuff.
What I do get some fun out of is giving type ratings to the CAA types, then they at least can do check rides and understand what is required.
In two weeks I go back to Holland and one of my customers will be a CAA guy who needs training on type, he will get ten hours and hopefully will have some grasp of how the thing flys when he is finished, I don't know if he has any float plane time hopefully not as it is easier teaching flying boat skills to someone without float time.
Cat
Charging $350.00 per hour is quite reasonable if you are specializing in an area that has little competition.
I do of course throw in the pre flight and post flight briefings for free.
Ocassionally I will do some local check rides and charge $50.00 per. hour for same, but that really is not enough to justify the time it takes to go to the airport and all that stuff.
What I do get some fun out of is giving type ratings to the CAA types, then they at least can do check rides and understand what is required.
In two weeks I go back to Holland and one of my customers will be a CAA guy who needs training on type, he will get ten hours and hopefully will have some grasp of how the thing flys when he is finished, I don't know if he has any float plane time hopefully not as it is easier teaching flying boat skills to someone without float time.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I can see the arguement saying that we should can subsidized programs like at sault or confed, but don't think for a second its any cheaper. Most of the students who go to those schools come from out of town and
therefore don't live for nothing with mommy and daddy and don't have a hot meal preped for them every night. Between living expenses and all the other stuff that comes with going away to school, you end up paying roughly the same as you would if you lived at home and did your flight training privately.
therefore don't live for nothing with mommy and daddy and don't have a hot meal preped for them every night. Between living expenses and all the other stuff that comes with going away to school, you end up paying roughly the same as you would if you lived at home and did your flight training privately.
yes you may pay as much having to go away to school with living expenses...but my argument lies with well med school students and to live away from home and they have to pay a lot for that too AND have to pay $15 000 a year for 4 years...if they can do it then why can't sault/confed students?
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So if kids going to these colleges are paying the same amount out of their pockets, as kids going to local flying schools, why are we as taxpayers paying so much money for the college kids?maniac779 wrote:I can see the arguement saying that we should can subsidized programs like at sault or confed, but don't think for a second its any cheaper. Most of the students who go to those schools come from out of town and
therefore don't live for nothing with mommy and daddy and don't have a hot meal preped for them every night. Between living expenses and all the other stuff that comes with going away to school, you end up paying roughly the same as you would if you lived at home and did your flight training privately.
I mean no disrespect to any flight instructor, but why is flight instruction considered an acceptable way to build time? At 250 hrs, there's an awful lot you yourself don't know, and yet you are expected to give a beginner the benefit of your extremely limited experience. This situation does two things - it sells the students short, and it demeans the profession. I think our flight instructors should be the guys with ten thousand hours, and should be paid accordingly. The biggest obstacle to change is the lack of entry-level jobs that are available to green pilots, and this largely boils down to liablility. I suspect that a lot of operators would take a chance on a neophyte if the insurance company would still cover them. I don't know; maybe I'm totally out to lunch. Any thoughts, anyone?
Understanding begets harmony; in seeking the first you will find the last.
Flight Training is the only industry where the cost of "service" (i:e Flight training):
(a) has remained stagnant
(b) is under-charged
(c) the industry is scared to raise prices
(d) All of the above
I'm not saying to go nuts, but the price (per hour-wet) of a C172 has hardly go up in the last 10 years!!! The price of fuel, insurance, maintenance and newer aircraft sure did!!
Increase the cost (per hour) of instructor. It's simple, without instructor, no training! You get what you pay for: Crappy aircraft, showdy maintenance and crappy instructor OR Nice aircraft (everyhting works!) good maintenace and knowledgeable, experienced Instructors.
Look at the Helicopter guys. They pay BIG BUCKS, and there's no shortage of students....
If the aircraft-training industry increased their price, there would be less school and more motivated students.
(a) has remained stagnant
(b) is under-charged
(c) the industry is scared to raise prices
(d) All of the above
I'm not saying to go nuts, but the price (per hour-wet) of a C172 has hardly go up in the last 10 years!!! The price of fuel, insurance, maintenance and newer aircraft sure did!!
Increase the cost (per hour) of instructor. It's simple, without instructor, no training! You get what you pay for: Crappy aircraft, showdy maintenance and crappy instructor OR Nice aircraft (everyhting works!) good maintenace and knowledgeable, experienced Instructors.
Look at the Helicopter guys. They pay BIG BUCKS, and there's no shortage of students....
If the aircraft-training industry increased their price, there would be less school and more motivated students.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... ats005.htmLook at the Helicopter guys. They pay BIG BUCKS, and there's no shortage of students....
Student pilot permits...
Aeroplane 7900
Helicopter 291
Ummm, maybe you should be thankful you have a job, cause if we did as some suggest many instuructors would be on welfare..
If an Instructor was payed $15.00 per hour and was payed for everything he/she was expected to do at the school (that would be 40 hours per week), they would be earning $30,000 per year. I believe that is more than most First Officers make on their first "real jobs".
Getting $350.00 per hour would be nice but there would be no students at the private level, and thus no students at the commercial level etc.
I have said it before and will continue to say it: " the only way to make things better for pilots is for pilots to take on the responsibility of making the employers pay what the Labour Laws require them to pay."
Wah Wah Wah, I want more money doesn't work. Pick up the phone and call your local Labour office and tell them what you are doing that your employer refuses to pay you for. File a complaint and it will be investigated. Whine on the internet and you just wear out your fingers.
It isn't really a question of how much you get paid, as much as it is a question of what you get paid for.
The typical employer says: "If you won't sit around waiting for me to toss you a crumb, I'll get more slobs with no self esteme to sit around waiting and you will get less crumbs."
You want me to answer the phone, pay me. You want me to pick up the garbage that you and your friends leave around, pay me. You want me to wash that airplane, pay me. The Law says you have to!
Don't ask me to make your life easier, and certainly don't ask LT. Take some responsibility for your own fate.
Getting $350.00 per hour would be nice but there would be no students at the private level, and thus no students at the commercial level etc.
I have said it before and will continue to say it: " the only way to make things better for pilots is for pilots to take on the responsibility of making the employers pay what the Labour Laws require them to pay."
Wah Wah Wah, I want more money doesn't work. Pick up the phone and call your local Labour office and tell them what you are doing that your employer refuses to pay you for. File a complaint and it will be investigated. Whine on the internet and you just wear out your fingers.
It isn't really a question of how much you get paid, as much as it is a question of what you get paid for.
The typical employer says: "If you won't sit around waiting for me to toss you a crumb, I'll get more slobs with no self esteme to sit around waiting and you will get less crumbs."
You want me to answer the phone, pay me. You want me to pick up the garbage that you and your friends leave around, pay me. You want me to wash that airplane, pay me. The Law says you have to!
Don't ask me to make your life easier, and certainly don't ask LT. Take some responsibility for your own fate.
Pilots get higher, SCUBA Divers do it deeper!
Pilots will never see the day where an instructor makes what they should.
Employers have greenhorns by the balls. It's an employers maket.
Dragging government funded college programs into this arguement is irrelevant. Abolishing such programs is not going to increase the pay at other schools.
Keep in mind that the Instructor is liable for all damages incurred to an aircraft...a Co-Pilot is not.
Keep in mind the Instructor is liable for the customer being happy and coming back through the door to spend more money...a Co-Pilot is not.
Keep in mind that a pilot fresh out of CPL training is full of piss and vinegar, and loves nothing more that sitting around talking planes all day...talking flying all day. You'll have a tough time getting a 10,000 hour fella to do the same. Maybe new guys haven't seen everything, but at that early stage of their career they are still impressionable. Impressionable when doing their Instructor Training...learning the way exercises should be taught. More experienced pilots are not impressionable. They are not well versed in current training requirements/curriculum. They are not as enthusiastic about VFR instruction. And no amount of money is going to make them change. They'll simply work for their paycheque.
Perhaps for an instructor to teach Commercial courses they should have to progress through more training and another stage of an Instructor Rating...through demonstration (flight test). To teach MIFR they would then have to attend another training program, and demonstrate their ability to teach through another flight test. This required training would, of course, be payed by the employer and not the pilot. Expensive yes...but if forced to by the government the schools would be forced to abide. The incentive for the school?? Make it "Company Specific" training, that is by no means transferrable to another school. It is only valid on the Instructor's license as long as they work at that school. No jumping around to the highest bidder...that's how all these problems have started!!
The way I see it, this system would regulate a bit of the instructor flow. Low timers get the PPL's. At a certain stage they can begin training to teach CPL's. Pass the "CPL Instructor Rating" and bingo-bango they teach CPL's. Following sufficient experience/proficciency at this they can get into the MIFR side of the company. Each stage is more definite, requiring more compensation. The employer could not operate their company without the qualified pilots either. "Well, yes our ad SAYS we offer Commercial Pilot Training but...well...it's too expensive to train an instructor to do that, so how 'bout some more PPL dual for ya?"
I know this is essentially the way things are operating now...but to the folks that are arguing that instructors are inexperienced, maybe this would help.
Will we ever see such a program? Not in a million years.
Employers have greenhorns by the balls. It's an employers maket.
Dragging government funded college programs into this arguement is irrelevant. Abolishing such programs is not going to increase the pay at other schools.
Keep in mind that the Instructor is liable for all damages incurred to an aircraft...a Co-Pilot is not.
Keep in mind the Instructor is liable for the customer being happy and coming back through the door to spend more money...a Co-Pilot is not.
Keep in mind that a pilot fresh out of CPL training is full of piss and vinegar, and loves nothing more that sitting around talking planes all day...talking flying all day. You'll have a tough time getting a 10,000 hour fella to do the same. Maybe new guys haven't seen everything, but at that early stage of their career they are still impressionable. Impressionable when doing their Instructor Training...learning the way exercises should be taught. More experienced pilots are not impressionable. They are not well versed in current training requirements/curriculum. They are not as enthusiastic about VFR instruction. And no amount of money is going to make them change. They'll simply work for their paycheque.
Perhaps for an instructor to teach Commercial courses they should have to progress through more training and another stage of an Instructor Rating...through demonstration (flight test). To teach MIFR they would then have to attend another training program, and demonstrate their ability to teach through another flight test. This required training would, of course, be payed by the employer and not the pilot. Expensive yes...but if forced to by the government the schools would be forced to abide. The incentive for the school?? Make it "Company Specific" training, that is by no means transferrable to another school. It is only valid on the Instructor's license as long as they work at that school. No jumping around to the highest bidder...that's how all these problems have started!!
The way I see it, this system would regulate a bit of the instructor flow. Low timers get the PPL's. At a certain stage they can begin training to teach CPL's. Pass the "CPL Instructor Rating" and bingo-bango they teach CPL's. Following sufficient experience/proficciency at this they can get into the MIFR side of the company. Each stage is more definite, requiring more compensation. The employer could not operate their company without the qualified pilots either. "Well, yes our ad SAYS we offer Commercial Pilot Training but...well...it's too expensive to train an instructor to do that, so how 'bout some more PPL dual for ya?"
I know this is essentially the way things are operating now...but to the folks that are arguing that instructors are inexperienced, maybe this would help.
Will we ever see such a program? Not in a million years.
Excellent Post OW.
OW wrote:
I have said it before and will continue to say it: " the only way to make things better for pilots is for pilots to take on the responsibility of making the employers pay what the Labour Laws require them to pay."
Wah Wah Wah, I want more money doesn't work. Pick up the phone and call your local Labour office and tell them what you are doing that your employer refuses to pay you for. File a complaint and it will be investigated. Whine on the internet and you just wear out your fingers.
It isn't really a question of how much you get paid, as much as it is a question of what you get paid for.
The typical employer says: "If you won't sit around waiting for me to toss you a crumb, I'll get more slobs with no self esteme to sit around waiting and you will get less crumbs."
You want me to answer the phone, pay me. You want me to pick up the garbage that you and your friends leave around, pay me. You want me to wash that airplane, pay me. The Law says you have to!
Don't ask me to make your life easier, and certainly don't ask LT. Take some responsibility for your own fate.
My dear Cat...you're just being silly. $350 per hour! Indeed.
There are already two classes of instructor. 1, guys who treat it as stepping stone to build time.
2, the guys who are in it cuz that's what they want to do. The problem is, most fall into group 1!!!
NOBODY, I repete...NOBODY in this industry has to jump through as many hoops as the poor instructor! There are FOUR classes of instructor! How bloody STUPID is that??? As I see it, the class 1 and 2 could be lumped together, and the 4 should be dropped altogether! Just restrict the then class 2 a little. No problem. They would act under the supervision of the then class 1. Dont they already do that???
THE CLASS SYSTEM OF THE INSTRUCTORS IS THERE SIMPLY TO JUSTIFY EMPLOYMENT OF TRANSPORT CANADA INSPECTORS TO OVER SEE THIS MONSTER THEY HAVE CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!!! There IS no other reason for it!
And if a school charges 45-50 per hour for an instructor, that should be passed on to that instructor.
AND...yah, there's more! The class 1 instructors should be allowed to do training on their own, or the customer's aercraft, at whatever they can charge!
I would go as far a suggesting the time requirement for an instructor rating be raised a little in the first place....cuz, lets face it, many are still learning themselves....say 1000 hours? Where would they get a thousand hours? By working in the industry for a couple of years, then returning to instructing because they WANT to instruct. How novel would THAT be??
And, yes, increase the cost to the customer. They'll still come. They always will....and a good instructor is like a good employee anywhere else, so pay them a livable wage.
If I could make 50K a year instructing...I'd instruct!
There are already two classes of instructor. 1, guys who treat it as stepping stone to build time.
2, the guys who are in it cuz that's what they want to do. The problem is, most fall into group 1!!!
NOBODY, I repete...NOBODY in this industry has to jump through as many hoops as the poor instructor! There are FOUR classes of instructor! How bloody STUPID is that??? As I see it, the class 1 and 2 could be lumped together, and the 4 should be dropped altogether! Just restrict the then class 2 a little. No problem. They would act under the supervision of the then class 1. Dont they already do that???
THE CLASS SYSTEM OF THE INSTRUCTORS IS THERE SIMPLY TO JUSTIFY EMPLOYMENT OF TRANSPORT CANADA INSPECTORS TO OVER SEE THIS MONSTER THEY HAVE CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!!! There IS no other reason for it!
And if a school charges 45-50 per hour for an instructor, that should be passed on to that instructor.
AND...yah, there's more! The class 1 instructors should be allowed to do training on their own, or the customer's aercraft, at whatever they can charge!
I would go as far a suggesting the time requirement for an instructor rating be raised a little in the first place....cuz, lets face it, many are still learning themselves....say 1000 hours? Where would they get a thousand hours? By working in the industry for a couple of years, then returning to instructing because they WANT to instruct. How novel would THAT be??
And, yes, increase the cost to the customer. They'll still come. They always will....and a good instructor is like a good employee anywhere else, so pay them a livable wage.
If I could make 50K a year instructing...I'd instruct!
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Doc .
Do you not agree that if an airline pilot makes $250.00 per hour then specialty instruction should be worth a lot more?
It wouldn't be worth my effort leaving home for less, and I've yet to have anyone question what I charge.
Actually I just sort of stumbled into doing this kind of work and you have to admit there is not many out there that I have to compete against.
As to TC, they will only make more rules never less, paper work is their only talent...if you call some of the drivel that comes out of TC talent.
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Do you not agree that if an airline pilot makes $250.00 per hour then specialty instruction should be worth a lot more?
It wouldn't be worth my effort leaving home for less, and I've yet to have anyone question what I charge.
Actually I just sort of stumbled into doing this kind of work and you have to admit there is not many out there that I have to compete against.
As to TC, they will only make more rules never less, paper work is their only talent...if you call some of the drivel that comes out of TC talent.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Well ....you're a "cat of a different color"!! It's a bit missleading, but in your case, charging 250$ per hour makes sence. I suspect, that to get a total of ten hours of instructing logged, you have to spend ten days in some hinterland or other. While you may well be making $250 per hr of instructing, you are really making that per diem. Yes?
Now, if I could get $250 per day to drive a Dak, with expenses covered, I'd be there as well.
But, the jist of this, I think is aimed more at the flight school type, and not the tired, but wise old eagles like you and I...and JC...and Gawd knows who else!
Cheers
Now, if I could get $250 per day to drive a Dak, with expenses covered, I'd be there as well.
But, the jist of this, I think is aimed more at the flight school type, and not the tired, but wise old eagles like you and I...and JC...and Gawd knows who else!
Cheers
