Air Canada take home pay??

[the original tony]

just curious how much the take home is for starters at AC.
I know based on the equipment the perdiems are different, but just looking for an average.
thanks for any information.

tony

[pic777]

Can't be too good these days.
On my last trip my FO told me he was making more on a 80% contract than a B777 cpt at A/C.
GP about 180k
I hope that's not right.
M

[SQ]

Can't be too good these days.
On my last trip my FO told me he was making more on a 80% contract than a B777 cpt at A/C.
GP about 180k
I hope that's not right.
M

where do you work 777, what machine do you fly ?

[BALLB]

Air Canada new hire pay - year one 38K/year. It works out to $2,233 per month after deductions.

Year 2 you get a wopping 4k/year raise to 42k/yr.

Year 3 if you are in the pay Group it jumps to 60k/year or 89k/year if you are on the 320.

Basically, it is awful. If you want to work for the new Air Canada marry well and you should be fine. If this is your family's primary source of income you aren't going to have a financially secure life and you had better have a back-up plan. Most of the new-hires are supplementing their pitiful incomes by robbing their RRSP's to pay the rent for the first 3 years. The pay is embarrassing. However, the hiring is slowing to a trickle and there won't be any interviews after September 2007 so maybe we can do something to improve the situation before we ramp up the hiring again.

[altiplano]

airlinepilotpay.com

just figure your tax bracket and you're good...

[Goose757]

Air Canada new hire pay - year one 38K/year. It works out to $2,233 per month after deductions.

Year 2 you get a wopping 4k/year raise to 42k/yr.

Year 3 if you are in the pay Group it jumps to 60k/year or 89k/year if you are on the 320.

Basically, it is awful. If you want to work for the new Air Canada marry well and you should be fine. If this is your family's primary source of income you aren't going to have a financially secure life and you had better have a back-up plan. Most of the new-hires are supplementing their pitiful incomes by robbing their RRSP's to pay the rent for the first 3 years. The pay is embarrassing. However, the hiring is slowing to a trickle and there won't be any interviews after September 2007 so maybe we can do something to improve the situation before we ramp up the hiring again.

How come its so much higher if you're on the 320?

You say its awful. Are you just referring to the first two years, or is $89K not a high enough salary for a third year FO? If you can't live on $89K, you have problems.

[rigpiggy]

apples to apples
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines ... aland.html

[tofo]

Editted- JC:evil:

that's the attitude that gets 250hr wonders hired

[gonefishin']

certainly could not support a family on $89K a year in yvr

[yycflyguy]

apples to apples
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines ... aland.html

Interesting to see that Air New Zealand doesnt dick around with a B scale and start paying well from day one... not bad for a nation of drunks.

[Jaques Strappe]

Air Canada new hire pay - year one 38K/year. It works out to $2,233 per month after deductions.

Year 2 you get a wopping 4k/year raise to 42k/yr.

Year 3 if you are in the pay Group it jumps to 60k/year or 89k/year if you are on the 320.

Basically, it is awful. If you want to work for the new Air Canada marry well and you should be fine. If this is your family's primary source of income you aren't going to have a financially secure life and you had better have a back-up plan. Most of the new-hires are supplementing their pitiful incomes by robbing their RRSP's to pay the rent for the first 3 years. The pay is embarrassing. However, the hiring is slowing to a trickle and there won't be any interviews after September 2007 so maybe we can do something to improve the situation before we ramp up the hiring again.

Just to play devils advocate because I am in no way endorsing the starting salary at Air Canada but while most people have been bitching, many of those who were hired over the past 18 months are now Embraer Captains making over 100K. So the reality isn't always as it seems. Their salaries will continue to rise from there. I could give you several names of guys who are regular posters on this forum who have done just that but will respect their privacy.

[. .]

JS: At some point (right about now) the mad rush at AC is going to begin to slow. When it begins to slow you're not going to become a EMB captain within 18 months. It's not impossible to believe that you wouldn't even be a airbus 320 fo inside two years. In that case you're stuck in the pay group making 60k.yr until the banks come take you away.

[Jaques Strappe]

JS: At some point (right about now) the mad rush at AC is going to begin to slow. When it begins to slow you're not going to become a EMB captain within 18 months. It's not impossible to believe that you wouldn't even be a airbus 320 fo inside two years. In that case you're stuck in the pay group making 60k.yr until the banks come take you away.

No kidding, I am just pointing out that while many have been bitching and whining over the past 18 months, there are those who took the opportunity and ran with it. No benefit comes without some sort of risk. When I came to Air Canada 12 years ago, I got the same speech from people who are still bent and twisted towards Air Canada. Funny thing is, I make way more than they do now and I only have to work 8 to 10 days a month to do it. Sure glad I didn't listen to them. You can spin it any way you want and like I said, I agree the starting salaries are too low, in fact Pilot salaries in general are too low. However, the post that I quoted was not 100% correct. As you pointed out, it depends on what the industry is doing at the time.

[Four1oh]

Jaques, that is something everyone, everywhere needs to be aware of. No one likes anyone else who isn't as miserable as they are. I too 'the dream is over at Westjet, you'd be crazy to go there' routine 4 years ago. And here we are with just as much if not more of a future than ever.

There will always be negative people and naysayers. It's up to a person to decide who is full of shit and who isn't, and just go with it, even if it seems to against the flow.

You're also right about taking a risk. No risk, no reward. The day-one pilots at westjet are a perfect example.

[Sage]

How much is the take home pay for year 2? Also, how much does AC take from your pay for benefits, etc.

[. .]

JS: I realize you'll understand, but I'd just like to clarify for everyone else. I was never saying that AC would be a bad decision, or that it's all doom and gloom. I was just trying to provide a counter point to your devil's advocate post saying that 100K was just a year away. Even if 100k was a year away the ramifications of a down bid onto the 320 or the wide body fleet could make for some very difficult decisions.

[Jaques Strappe]

Hey endless

I know what you mean and wasn't referring to you personally with regard to being negative about AC. You are certainly correct in what you say, especially now as we are probably approaching the end of a major hiring. The other thing too is that AC may very well keep hiring until the day they start laying off.

It is a big game of chess and moves have be thought of long before you make them. I am very happy however, to see guys from this forum who have recently been hired, completing their upgrades.

[JZA]

Are there any former Jazzers now at AC that can answer my question...

After spending two full years at Jazz, what is/was your take home pay during year one at AC?

[backon3]

Year one monthly take home. 1st of the month 793.00 advance. 17th of the month approx. 1700-1800 depending on deductions. Plus whatever expenses you get for the month ($0 if flying single day pairings, up to around $800 for multiple day pairings). So all in all, approx $3100 take home a month.

[SQ]

Basically, it is awful. If you want to work for the new Air Canada marry well and you should be fine. If this is your family's primary source of income you aren't going to have a financially secure life and you had better have a back-up plan. Most of the new-hires are supplementing their pitiful incomes by robbing their RRSP's to pay the rent for the first 3 years. The pay is embarrassing. However, the hiring is slowing to a trickle and there won't be any interviews after September 2007 so maybe we can do something to improve the situation before we ramp up the hiring again.

unbelievable
i make 10$ an hour at ACbag room, load an aircraft is not that much and work is not the same, apples to apples...
but please don't say you can't live with 37000 can/year

[RB-211]

Strappe,

You work 8-10 days a month doing short haul and get paid your full whack? Not buying it as those must be some long days. This includes holidays over a year??? If this is the case I would imagine the bean counters at AC are missing something on the productivity side of things. Long haul pilots work less days than short haul guys meaning AC LH pilots would work 7-9 days a month.

Not trying to pick eh fight. Just curious.

[Lost in Saigon]

If you are senior on the EMB, it is possible to work 8 days per month. and also be home every night.

DATE Flights Total
F 31
S 1
S 2
M 3
T 4 197-196 8:52
W 5 197-196 8:52
T 6 197-196 8:52
F 7
S 8
S 9
M 10
T 11
W 12
T 13
F 14
S 15
S 16
M 17 197-196 8:52
T 18 589-590 8:38
W 19
T 20
F 21
S 22
S 23
M 24 197-196 8:52
T 25 589-590 8:38
W 26 589-590 8:38
T 27
F 28
S 29
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total 70:14

[Goose757]

If you are senior on the EMB, it is possible to work 8 days per month. and also be home every night.

Wow. Thats the kind of gig I'm looking for. Is that just the Embraer or are there people on other aircraft that can work the same thing? I guess its probably pretty hard to get senior enough on a 320 to get a schedule like that. How long are the Embraers expected to be around? Is there still talk of Jazz getting them?

[Jaques Strappe]

Strappe,

You work 8-10 days a month doing short haul and get paid your full whack? Not buying it as those must be some long days. This includes holidays over a year??? If this is the case I would imagine the bean counters at AC are missing something on the productivity side of things. Long haul pilots work less days than short haul guys meaning AC LH pilots would work 7-9 days a month.

Not trying to pick eh fight. Just curious.

Hi RB

I usually do Phoenix or Seattle turns out of Toronto which gives me an 8 to 9 day month and at home next to my wife each night. This does not include vacation. Basically, if you can get 8 hours a day, your done in 10.

Long Haul is not usually as productive. The most productivity I was able to get on Long Haul was Toronto- Tel Aviv which was a 24 hour credit while being away from home 48 hours. Felt like shit when I got home though and I don't really like counting my months landings on one hand.

The top of any domestic airplane at AC will give you productive flying. The 320 has Barbados turns for instance giving you an 8 day month. The 767, same thing.

Nothing like that on the 340/330 or 777 however.

And my T4 for last year was 142K

[yycflyguy]

When are the LOU 67 cheques REALLY going to be mailed out...