Private Aircraft and US Homeland Security

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:00 pm

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/intl/api ... rm0907.pdf

Lengthy but worth the read and even more worthy of action. Of course the NBAA and the feared CBAA

will be protesting but it may behoove anyone involved in GA to protest this change. Especially corporate operators.

CAPGEN · Post by **CAPGEN** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:02 pm

I would suspect that the effect on a corporate operator would be minimal...transmitting APIS submissions through eAPIS is a pain in the ass, but it's not too rough...especially if you're flying a lot of the same pax all the time. Just one more step.

The GA sector will likely create a stir about it, and maybe rightly so, but I get the sense that when the department of homeland security says they want something like this, that mention something about 9-11 and there's no argument.

When you think about it though, GA border crossings as they are now might just be a bigger security weakness than a Lear 35 charter.

You'd just hope though that they would make the system a bit more user-friendly than the current eAPIS setup (which has come a long way itself). If they didn't make it so that the onus was completely on the operator/pilot to go and dig up the specific regulation, and determine whether it applied to them or not (vs being able to determine this within the eAPIS website), it might be more well received, specifically by the GA community.

Then again, you can call 5 different ports in the US with customs question, and get 5 different answers...

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:29 am

I agree that if you work for a management company, the eAPIS won't be that big a deal. What if you don't? How about the guys that do their own? How accessible will the system be? What about last minute passenger changes? How about them limiting the airports you can arrive at or depart from? All negatives to the corporate community.

Now realistically, what are they thinking? If some terrorist wants to deliver a dirty bomb to NY, are they going to stop in TEB and will the personnel listed be accurate? Corporate aircraft are not the threat.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:11 pm

Wouldn't it fun to make up fictional muslim names to give 'em. Like Osama Bin Laden and whatever warlord you hear on the news. HAHAAA!!!

I can't wait!

ORANGE ALERT! ORANGE ALERT!

KEEP GOING TO THE MALL!!!

-istp

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:23 am

Be sure to report back to us istp and tell us how many US officials you made roll on the ground in laughter during your next trip to the US.

(proof that age alone is no indication of maturity)

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:17 am

I'd never really do that, but I would high-five anyone that did.

I don't particularly like going to the US, but I still wouldn't like to be banned.

And yes, I do have a bit of a Peter Pan syndrome. That, along with lots of beer and pizza, should keep me flying till I'm a ripe old age. Because you never meet a bitter person with no sense of humour that's 100 years old.

-istp

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:18 pm

I have to agree with you somewhat istp. It has been a few years that I haven't renewed my membership to the USA Fan Club. Thanks to the paranoia in the United States (or is it just the politicians on the take???), more and more regulations have been pumped out not exactly keeping in line with a country that has prided itself on lack of Big Brother intervention and regulatory simplicity. I see it as a crying shame, and wonder if the US' best years are behind it.