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Cat Driver
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Did you sign it?I'm going to get dinged for part of a training bond - just trying to minimize the damage as much as possible!
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Here we go again - if you agreed, you have a contract. If you didn't live up to it you'll need to pay.
Now, if they didn't live up to their half, were dangerous (didn't do maintenance) or something, go for it, but if you just got offered a better job? Live up to your obligations.
If this is not your situation, sorry I ranted on you.
Now, if they didn't live up to their half, were dangerous (didn't do maintenance) or something, go for it, but if you just got offered a better job? Live up to your obligations.
If this is not your situation, sorry I ranted on you.
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Training bond- UGH!
If you wanna hire me, pay me fairly, treat me fairly, gimme a good job? @#$! buddy, I'm your's for life. We don't need no stinkin' training bond!
Anything less, then go @#$! your hat boss.
I'm REALLY spoiled at my machinist job here in Sudbury. Motherfucker treats me too well.
I might have to just stay here, make decent money, have a good life and buy a Champ on floats to fly up to the camp in another 10 years.
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If you wanna hire me, pay me fairly, treat me fairly, gimme a good job? @#$! buddy, I'm your's for life. We don't need no stinkin' training bond!
Anything less, then go @#$! your hat boss.
I'm REALLY spoiled at my machinist job here in Sudbury. Motherfucker treats me too well.
I might have to just stay here, make decent money, have a good life and buy a Champ on floats to fly up to the camp in another 10 years.
-istp
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golden hawk
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I would agree with Golden Hawk. Training bonds have nothing to do with aviation. Jurisprudence that will be used for your case will be better known by a labour lawyer.
Please consider the fact that a lawyer such as this one could, if you settle rapidly and easily, cost you up to 3-4 K. Should the matter go to court, be prepared to pay about 10-12 K.
Please consider the fact that a lawyer such as this one could, if you settle rapidly and easily, cost you up to 3-4 K. Should the matter go to court, be prepared to pay about 10-12 K.
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The Other Kind
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And this, ladies and gentleman, is the reason why training bonds exist. An agreement was made, theres no fault on the company, they're fine, and this guy is bailing.I didn't get another job, I just can't stand this one - its not for me. Theres no fault on the company, they're fine.
Loach, if you had not signed a bond - just gave your word - would you pay anything, or just walk away?
Back out on that road again
Turn this beast into the wind
There are those that break and bend
I'm the other kind
Turn this beast into the wind
There are those that break and bend
I'm the other kind
Hey Other Kind, I never said training bonds should not exist!
You only live once and if you don't like what you're doing quit bitching and change it! Doesn't that make sense?
As I mentioned (but I'll say it again for you as apparently reading comprehension is not your forte), I know I had an agreement and I know that I owe. Would I pay if I didnt sign a bond? ...yes.
You only live once and if you don't like what you're doing quit bitching and change it! Doesn't that make sense?
As I mentioned (but I'll say it again for you as apparently reading comprehension is not your forte), I know I had an agreement and I know that I owe. Would I pay if I didnt sign a bond? ...yes.
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The Other Kind
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I know you didn't, but lots of other people here have.Hey Other Kind, I never said training bonds should not exist!
That makes perfect sense to me. A bond/verbal agreement should never mean that someone CAN'T leave a company. Just that if you do, you compensate the company for the balance of the training costs they will now not have access to because it just walked out the door.You only live once and if you don't like what you're doing quit bitching and change it! Doesn't that make sense?
My reading comprehension is just fine.As I mentioned (but I'll say it again for you as apparently reading comprehension is not your forte), I know I had an agreement and I know that I owe.
I interpreted that as meaning you were trying to wiggle out, use a lawyer to pay the absolute minimum - regardless of what you agreed to in writing. If that was not your intent, I apologize.I'm going to get dinged for part of a training bond - just trying to minimize the damage as much as possible!
Back out on that road again
Turn this beast into the wind
There are those that break and bend
I'm the other kind
Turn this beast into the wind
There are those that break and bend
I'm the other kind
I certainly see your point, and I'm definitely not trying to "wiggle" out of anything. I owe them period. But I was wondering if a lawyer was a good idea to ensure I wasn't getting dinged for costs I didn't agree with.
I have to pay them the outstanding training costs but at the same time its still a negotiation and having professional advice couldn't hurt.
I have to pay them the outstanding training costs but at the same time its still a negotiation and having professional advice couldn't hurt.
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golden hawk
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Good approach Loach! Yes, consult with a lawyer on the proposed settlement. Any labour lawyer can help you with this. You don't need an aviation lawyer. You may even get the advice for nothing!Loach wrote:I certainly see your point, and I'm definitely not trying to "wiggle" out of anything. I owe them period. But I was wondering if a lawyer was a good idea to ensure I wasn't getting dinged for costs I didn't agree with.
I have to pay them the outstanding training costs but at the same time its still a negotiation and having professional advice couldn't hurt.
Good luck.
I just heard of a guy that took a corporate job in YYZ, did the training at 40K and quit within 3 months... hmmm. Why are there bonds again???
The lawyer will be key in getting the "costs you don't agree with" settled.
Some companies charge for uniforms but also demand they be returned upon job termination, why should the uniform be bonded? Some companies give estimates on training costs upon signing and when you quit, the bond is substantially higher than what was signed on, gross misrepresentation on behalf of the writer of the contract (aka the company).
Bonds are not always cut and dry Cat, sometimes lawyers have to get involved to make sure you don't get milked. The companies can be just as bad as the pilots in some cases.
Neo
Some companies charge for uniforms but also demand they be returned upon job termination, why should the uniform be bonded? Some companies give estimates on training costs upon signing and when you quit, the bond is substantially higher than what was signed on, gross misrepresentation on behalf of the writer of the contract (aka the company).
Bonds are not always cut and dry Cat, sometimes lawyers have to get involved to make sure you don't get milked. The companies can be just as bad as the pilots in some cases.
Neo
