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Anybody do University + Flight Training at the same time?
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Anybody do University + Flight Training at the same time?
Has anybody ever done full-time University plus flight training at the same time. I want to do a Bachelors in Civil Engineering as of next fall, and start my pilot training during the summer, and pursue ground school on week-ends. Anybody experienced this? If so, how was it? I can imagine it's hard, but tips are always good!
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Tried flight training plus Mechanical engineering, dropped out after one term to do flight training full time, Flight training plus uni plus a job equals little to no hours flying, little paycheck, and a 1.6 GPA, I took top level math in school, loved school got out with a 95 average, but the combination of all three left me miserable, irritable and no closer to either than when i started. Sorry i couldn't say anything more positive
Yes, but persay, that I try to equilibrate flight training during 6 summers, which is quite doable I think, 3 months of intensive training each summer? And Night Rating, all the theory that is to study for, that can be started a bit before summer starts, or X-mas vacation, always to get a little bit of advance in everything, and obviously the planes have to be available...C-GGGQ wrote:Tried flight training plus Mechanical engineering, dropped out after one term to do flight training full time, Flight training plus uni plus a job equals little to no hours flying, little paycheck, and a 1.6 GPA
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That equals one LONG way into flying, and a LONG time out of the work force. You asked for opinions, thats mine. Is it possible? yes. Will it be simple, easy, or probable? no. It can be done, but you have to ask yourself why do I want that civil engineering degree? Is having a degree i will (most likely) NEVER use worth taking 5 years away from flying jobs getting me towards my goal of a career in flying? If it is, then do you really want to be a pilot, or just an engineer that flies? All questions i asked myself, my answer was simple, I want to be a career pilot, sitting in a university classroom is not earning my licenses, it is not flying for smaller companies building hours, and it is not getting onto an airline and getting that seniority number. It is getting a piece of paper certifying me as an Engineer, even though I will never work as an engineer. So why do I want it?
The way I would get one is for the sole fact that you never know what can really happen. Perhaps, God Forbid, everyone reading this knock on wood, God forbid something happens like you don't get your class 1 medical, well in that case, best case scenario, you have a degree to back you up, be it an degree in English, Commerce, Finances, Civil Engineering and so on and so forth, you don't fall in the rut because you failed your medical...C-GGGQ wrote:That equals one LONG way into flying, and a LONG time out of the work force. You asked for opinions, thats mine. Is it possible? yes. Will it be simple, easy, or probable? no. It can be done, but you have to ask yourself why do I want that civil engineering degree? Is having a degree i will (most likely) NEVER use worth taking 5 years away from flying jobs getting me towards my goal of a career in flying? If it is, then do you really want to be a pilot, or just an engineer that flies? All questions i asked myself, my answer was simple, I want to be a career pilot, sitting in a university classroom is not earning my licenses, it is not flying for smaller companies building hours, and it is not getting onto an airline and getting that seniority number. It is getting a piece of paper certifying me as an Engineer, even though I will never work as an engineer. So why do I want it?
Unless you have any other solutions for a medical and how to go around it, I think that what I just proposed is the best of solutions in that situation. And frankly, 3 years is what it takes in Quebec. By the age of 23 I'll be flying...I know people that started flying at 28, and it still didn't make them give up on their career dream..
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You're not a dick. There was a saying, that I don't quite remember, but it just said briefly that, an honest opinion, is better and much more appreciated than a bunch of fake bul*shi*.C-GGGQ wrote:also you spread your flying out THAT much and you are gonna be SO rusty each time you start training again, that you might as well be starting from scratch. I hate to be a dick, just giving my honest opinion.
So, no worries ! Because the sky is the limit...!
3 years???? its a 5 year degree anywhere I was accepted, granted i never looked at quebec, but you have to ask yourself. How do you put a 5 year degree into 3? i've seen people almost kill themselves and do it in 4 but 3? Also, Do you think you will be an engineer, if you lose your medical? You will have no practical experience in your field, who knows when you might lose your medical for all you know its 20 years down the road and by then any degree you had is basically useless. I believe you should have a plan in place, in case something happens, but in my opinion a degree (baring maybe a buisness degree since they are widely applicable to other careers) Probably wont help you much. Especially if its something with such a specialized skill set as engineering, you will be out of date VERY quickly. My plan is to go get my welding tickets if I lose my medical. I've welded before and have always been handy with tools. Granted not everyone is cut out for trades, just like not everyone is cut out for university. My advice to you and to any student starting out, is think "in 20 or even 10 years will the skills i learn in this degree/ diploma/ program still be useful or will I have forgotten everything because i never used it after I graduated?" Now I am far from the Guru of aviation, I'm just starting out on my career and am just a year older than you. Hopefully we will get a few other opinions and points of view on this. The more information you have the better the chance of making the right choice, good luck
I absolutely agree with you. The system here in Quebec, you do 11 years of High School, 2 years of Cegep (its like a tampon period in between 12th grade and 1st year of University, if you compare it to what Ontario offers) and last but not least, due to the fact that we do the year of University that the rest of Canada does in 12th grade, well we do Bachelors Degrees that last 3 years. I may not choose engineering, I thought of choosing Business Management with the Aviation profile at John Molson School of Business in Montreal. It's a hard choice, but I really want to have something to land on, I think it's really important. Even you have thought about something to land on, it's possible, I've heard horror stories of pilots in their 20's not passing their medical. :SC-GGGQ wrote:3 years???? its a 5 year degree anywhere I was accepted, granted i never looked at quebec, but you have to ask yourself. How do you put a 5 year degree into 3? i've seen people almost kill themselves and do it in 4 but 3? Also, Do you think you will be an engineer, if you lose your medical? You will have no practical experience in your field, who knows when you might lose your medical for all you know its 20 years down the road and by then any degree you had is basically useless. I believe you should have a plan in place, in case something happens, but in my opinion a degree (baring maybe a buisness degree since they are widely applicable to other careers) Probably wont help you much. Especially if its something with such a specialized skill set as engineering, you will be out of date VERY quickly. My plan is to go get my welding tickets if I lose my medical. I've welded before and have always been handy with tools. Granted not everyone is cut out for trades, just like not everyone is cut out for university. My advice to you and to any student starting out, is think "in 20 or even 10 years will the skills i learn in this degree/ diploma/ program still be useful or will I have forgotten everything because i never used it after I graduated?" Now I am far from the Guru of aviation, I'm just starting out on my career and am just a year older than you. Hopefully we will get a few other opinions and points of view on this. The more information you have the better the chance of making the right choice, good luck
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Yeah you guys with your messed up system, Ontario too grade 13 come on, what happened to the standard 1-12 then university to good to do it like the rest of us eh? 
Buisness degree is a good choice (anything none specific and non technical is really hard to get rusty) I would however and I think you will find this opinion of most here stay away from an "aviation" degree, If you aren't in aviation its basically useless, get something that can be used anywhere.
Buisness degree is a good choice (anything none specific and non technical is really hard to get rusty) I would however and I think you will find this opinion of most here stay away from an "aviation" degree, If you aren't in aviation its basically useless, get something that can be used anywhere.Our system surely is fucked up! I hope they ban Cegep! I hate it so much! Yeah, I thought of getting a degree in German, so that I can officially be pentalingual, air stewardesses will love that haha...C-GGGQ wrote:Yeah you guys with your messed up system, Ontario too grade 13 come on, what happened to the standard 1-12 then university to good to do it like the rest of us eh?
There are many many choices! It's one of the things I'll think about while playing FSM after my finals hehe.
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You repeatedly worry about failing a medical... How about getting one right away?
See this page, pick a doctor, and go from there.
This will allow you to confirm that you are fit to fly before going any further into this.
Goodbye,
Louis
P.S. Even if you end up at the CQFA or Seneca, nothing stops you from getting a familiarization flight either. Get them to give you a pilot training record, as this flight can count in your hours.
See this page, pick a doctor, and go from there.
This will allow you to confirm that you are fit to fly before going any further into this.
Goodbye,
Louis
P.S. Even if you end up at the CQFA or Seneca, nothing stops you from getting a familiarization flight either. Get them to give you a pilot training record, as this flight can count in your hours.
Why don't people get their pilot licences in high school?
I soloed my kid at 14. He's 15 now, and has almost 200 hours in his logbook. He flew almost every day this summer, twice a day sometimes.
By the time he graduates high school, he'll have his IFR, commercial and class 4 instructor rating. Should look good on his university application for extra-curricular activities.
I soloed my kid at 14. He's 15 now, and has almost 200 hours in his logbook. He flew almost every day this summer, twice a day sometimes.
By the time he graduates high school, he'll have his IFR, commercial and class 4 instructor rating. Should look good on his university application for extra-curricular activities.
Re: Anybody do University + Flight Training at the same time
Hey Rimsky!RIMsky wrote:Has anybody ever done full-time University plus flight training at the same time. I want to do a Bachelors in Civil Engineering as of next fall, and start my pilot training during the summer, and pursue ground school on week-ends. Anybody experienced this? If so, how was it? I can imagine it's hard, but tips are always good!
Cheers!
I am @ Concordia majoring in political science. I did my training & went to school.
Although the program was not difficult, I did find it hard to combine both.
I only have a 2.8 GPA which isn't very good.
Balancing work, school & flying was just too much...+ the drive to the airfield is at least 30 min each way.
I am keeping my full time status, but I only have 2 courses a semester. How? I register for four & drop 2 at the beginning.....always works & no word from the ac. office, so yeah!
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
Ya! Sounds great, but try telling that to the high school moms! There first reaction would beHedley wrote:Why don't people get their pilot licences in high school?
I soloed my kid at 14. He's 15 now, and has almost 200 hours in his logbook. He flew almost every day this summer, twice a day sometimes.
By the time he graduates high school, he'll have his IFR, commercial and class 4 instructor rating. Should look good on his university application for extra-curricular activities.
....then there an immidiate no!Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
um ... the 2006 MotoGP champion (Nicky Hayden) started motorcycle riding when he was THREE years old.try telling that to the high school moms
By the time someone is 12 years old, they should be able to swim, skate downhill ski, ride a bicycle, ride a motorcycle, drive a tractor, truck or car (with a manual transmission), fly a tailwheel airplane, operate power tools and have some passing knowledge of algebra, trig and calculus.
What's the reason for the delayed development? Does it have something to do with political correctness?
There are many activities for which 16 years is too old to start.
http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/MES/pdf/JRP2003.pdf
& I agree with you 100% Hedley!
But many parents don't feel comfortable have their 15 year old kids flying small airplanes.
My cousins (14 & 16) want to fly, but their parents keep telling me, "I dont want them flying Cessnas! They are unsfae & they are going to die"
It's stupid & foolish, but many parents feel that way. They know nothing about aviation but insist that it's not safe!
Same with my uncle. He wants a PPL but his wife is too afraid & does not want him to get one. She says that he is going to crash & that i don 't want to loose my husband.....soo stupid!
I am taking him on a short flight next week....she agreed with one circuit! Nothing more!
GGQ, I was thinking in terms of Quebec where it's only grade 7-11.
But many parents don't feel comfortable have their 15 year old kids flying small airplanes.
My cousins (14 & 16) want to fly, but their parents keep telling me, "I dont want them flying Cessnas! They are unsfae & they are going to die"
It's stupid & foolish, but many parents feel that way. They know nothing about aviation but insist that it's not safe!
Same with my uncle. He wants a PPL but his wife is too afraid & does not want him to get one. She says that he is going to crash & that i don 't want to loose my husband.....soo stupid!
I am taking him on a short flight next week....she agreed with one circuit! Nothing more!
GGQ, I was thinking in terms of Quebec where it's only grade 7-11.
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
Many problems have quite simple economic solutions. This is one of them. Tell him to get enough life insurance (read: millions) so that if the phone rings at home when he is gone flying, wifey has truly mixed feelingsHe wants a PPL but his wife is too afraid
btw, when did Canada become such a nation of pussies? Does every Canadian male hand his balls to his wife now?
Both my grandfathers fought in WWI (one, not two). Paternal grandfather was in the RFC. Maternal grandfather was in the trenches when he was 15 years old (he was a big farm boy - lied about his age).
I'm not sure you know much about the trenches in WWI, but it was not a pleasant time - esp for a 15 year old!
When did Canada become such a nation of pussies?
Not sure when but it has
Didn't have a motorcycle or a tail dragger to learn on unfortunately, everything else was pretty much learned by 12-14 Including firearm safety, orienteering, survival, and hunting. These things aren't dangerous, stupid people are dangerous and i call it natural selectionBy the time someone is 12 years old, they should be able to swim, skate downhill ski, ride a bicycle, ride a motorcycle, drive a tractor, truck or car (with a manual transmission), fly a tailwheel airplane, operate power tools and have some passing knowledge of algebra, trig and calculus.
My friends father didn't want him to go flying with me last night. His mom called him 6 times to tell him that he has his whole life ahead of him!
His Dad is going to Greece today. He's taking chill pills for the flight...
His Dad is going to Greece today. He's taking chill pills for the flight...
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
Forgot to mention that - that's an obvious one. Not knowing anything about firearms is like not knowing how to crap - sooner or later you might have a messy accident.learned by 12-14 Including firearm safety
Canadians are so weird about firearms - they're just another tool, like a lawn mower or skilsaw.
I started the engine on a c-172 & my good friend ran out!
Recount:
I started the airplane, looked to my left, then looked to my right & he was gone! The door was still opened & he belt was hanging out...
Recount:
I started the airplane, looked to my left, then looked to my right & he was gone! The door was still opened & he belt was hanging out...
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
My thoughts (and my grandfathers thoughts 
) exactly. Sad thing about letting kids fly/ being afraid to fly is that I've taking several people flying who were scared and they've all come back down smiling, and saying "wow that was a nicer flight and landing than I've had on a lot of airline flights" I always laugh at that one.
) exactly. Sad thing about letting kids fly/ being afraid to fly is that I've taking several people flying who were scared and they've all come back down smiling, and saying "wow that was a nicer flight and landing than I've had on a lot of airline flights" I always laugh at that one.
