Voyageur Airways
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Voyageur Airways
Is anyone receive call for interview? or those pilot work for this company, can you please PM me.
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LOCBC, can I borrow $15,000, please? 

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Even if this is a troll... why? I say... why? must you poke the bearxsbank wrote:LOCBC, can I borrow $15,000, please?

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Wacko, we all hear you. We do. It's just this crap that VAL pulls should be recognized for what it really is. Pure exploitation of pilots. And, pure unadulterated bull shit. Companies like this deserve all the bad "press" we can give them. Pilots who "buy" jobs deserve all the bad "press" they receive as well. Until pilots grow the "balls" to tell companies like VAL to "Go piss up a rope...", this job "purchasing" bull shit will continue....and folks like xsbank and myself will continue to rub their noses in it.
But pray tell, why do you defend them???
But pray tell, why do you defend them???
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Unless provoked, I will officially abandon the Voyageur Bashing I've been indulging in - Doc summed it up nicely (thanks, Doc). Despite thinking that Voyageur's 'business practices' are, well, crap, I will stop annoying you lot and if you feel the need to subsidise their business with a handy cash injection out of your own pocket, WITHOUT getting any equity in the company in return; I say fill your boots. Just ask yourself why, with Dash 7s and 8s, RJs and King Airs, wages that they claim are in the low hundreds, that they have such a HUGE turnover?
All I was trying to do was protect you from yourselves, but I officially don't GARA.
Gone. Finished. Toast. Tata.
All I was trying to do was protect you from yourselves, but I officially don't GARA.



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Doc,
I really don't care about VAL. I have not worked for them or have a prospect of working for them therefore I can't say anything good or bad about them. I'm just worried that people can't get any real info about the company anymore. The thing is... those who want to or are willing to work there, will work there regardless of what you say. By continually bringing the issue back to the training bond, regardless of what information people actually need/want will just (if it hasn't already) label AvCanada as biased and ANY information, including the training bond, will start falling on def ears.
To kind of contrast, I'll give you another example. NCA recently posted a salary with a job opening. They lowered the hour requirements which "PROBABLY" means that there's going to be a fairly senior FO sitting in the right seat. Regardless... point is; people on here keep bitching about companies not posting salaries... pisses me off too.. WTF is "as per company pay scale anyway"! BUT... if they do post the salary... you get a bunch of numb nuts flaming them for it.
I think companies should be applauded for taking the initiative and going the extra mile... if they don't pay enough for you... don't work there! I personally would rather have at least an idea of how much a company pays before applying than having to shoot in the dark.
Going back to VAL... I think the best thing they could do is to actually post the terms of the training bond... and everybody has their own idea of how it works... of course, with the awesome response they have been getting here... they probably never will.
*shrug* Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I really don't care about VAL. I have not worked for them or have a prospect of working for them therefore I can't say anything good or bad about them. I'm just worried that people can't get any real info about the company anymore. The thing is... those who want to or are willing to work there, will work there regardless of what you say. By continually bringing the issue back to the training bond, regardless of what information people actually need/want will just (if it hasn't already) label AvCanada as biased and ANY information, including the training bond, will start falling on def ears.
To kind of contrast, I'll give you another example. NCA recently posted a salary with a job opening. They lowered the hour requirements which "PROBABLY" means that there's going to be a fairly senior FO sitting in the right seat. Regardless... point is; people on here keep bitching about companies not posting salaries... pisses me off too.. WTF is "as per company pay scale anyway"! BUT... if they do post the salary... you get a bunch of numb nuts flaming them for it.
I think companies should be applauded for taking the initiative and going the extra mile... if they don't pay enough for you... don't work there! I personally would rather have at least an idea of how much a company pays before applying than having to shoot in the dark.
Going back to VAL... I think the best thing they could do is to actually post the terms of the training bond... and everybody has their own idea of how it works... of course, with the awesome response they have been getting here... they probably never will.
*shrug* Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac. George Orwell
Disclaimer: The above post was not meant to offend anyone.
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Wacko,
You are correct of course. I don't really know why I give a rat's ass, if some dumb shit pilot is stupid enough to buy a job. It's not a bond of course, but nobody seems to see the difference. I know I don't have a hell of a lot of respect for pilots who buy jobs. That's my problem. I'll do my best to make sure we don't hire any of them, though. I can't figure how a company can act like this...oh, that's not quite true. VAL gets away with this crap because WE let them. No other reason. Pilots without spines. Wimps. Jam tarts. Pussies. Simple as that.
But, like xsbank, I've left the building on the subject. I no longer give a crap. Get out you cheque books kids. Go "buy" your jobs. That's exactly what you're worth.
You are correct of course. I don't really know why I give a rat's ass, if some dumb shit pilot is stupid enough to buy a job. It's not a bond of course, but nobody seems to see the difference. I know I don't have a hell of a lot of respect for pilots who buy jobs. That's my problem. I'll do my best to make sure we don't hire any of them, though. I can't figure how a company can act like this...oh, that's not quite true. VAL gets away with this crap because WE let them. No other reason. Pilots without spines. Wimps. Jam tarts. Pussies. Simple as that.
But, like xsbank, I've left the building on the subject. I no longer give a crap. Get out you cheque books kids. Go "buy" your jobs. That's exactly what you're worth.
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Hey Doc,Doc wrote:Wacko,
You are correct of course. I don't really know why I give a rat's ass, if some dumb shit pilot is stupid enough to buy a job. It's not a bond of course, but nobody seems to see the difference. I know I don't have a hell of a lot of respect for pilots who buy jobs. That's my problem. I'll do my best to make sure we don't hire any of them, though. I can't figure how a company can act like this...oh, that's not quite true. VAL gets away with this crap because WE let them. No other reason. Pilots without spines. Wimps. Jam tarts. Pussies. Simple as that.
But, like xsbank, I've left the building on the subject. I no longer give a crap. Get out you cheque books kids. Go "buy" your jobs. That's exactly what you're worth.
I am pretty sure lots of the young fellers won't shed a tear from avoiding working with you.
Then again, you could whipsnap them into fine Redneck specimens. And know-it-alls.
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I agree, why would any young pilot want to fly with the likes of Doc and end up actually becoming a pilot who can fly an airplane expertly?Hey Doc,
I am pretty sure lots of the young fellers won't shed a tear from avoiding working with you.
Then again, you could whipsnap them into fine Redneck specimens. And know-it-alls.
Just what the world needs.![]()
Naw, far better to pay for a job and not have to worry about being incompetent along with being stupid.
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After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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It's not 'buying' a job if they give you the money back. I don't like the way the do it either, but I'm not planning on applying. That being said, why does someone who pays up-front instead of signing a bond that says "I will pay if..." deserve to be called:
Maybe they just needed a job. Maybe they were getting shafted on a ramp somewhere, or instructing, maybe they had some connections inside the company. Who knows.Pilots without spines. Wimps. Jam tarts. Pussies.
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Hey ., you have become quite the little cheerleader for Doc these days.Cat Driver wrote:I agree, why would any young pilot want to fly with the likes of Doc and end up actually becoming a pilot who can fly an airplane expertly?Hey Doc,
I am pretty sure lots of the young fellers won't shed a tear from avoiding working with you.
Then again, you could whipsnap them into fine Redneck specimens. And know-it-alls.
Just what the world needs.![]()
Naw, far better to pay for a job and not have to worry about being incompetent along with being stupid.
Are you guys dating or somethin'?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that they paid you back with little or no interest. I have a friend who went there to get the African Adventure. His take was in the end it would cost him about 1000$Tim wrote:It's not 'buying' a job if they give you the money back.
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I've never paid for a bond and hope that I never will have to.
But for those of you who detest the pilots that go to companies like Voyageur and take out a repayable bond for their job, I suggest you redirect your anger.
I know a few pilots who worked for Voyageur when they never use to make pilots sign a training bond. Instead they would simply ask of a new hire that they stay with the company for a minimum of one year service. But too many greedy pilots would up and leave, some within days of obtaining their King-Air PPC that was paid for by the company, so Voyageur had to find a way to make the pilots keep their word.
It's been said many times that 'pilots are our own worst enemies', and the longer I'm in this industry I sadly am beginning to believe it.
But for those of you who detest the pilots that go to companies like Voyageur and take out a repayable bond for their job, I suggest you redirect your anger.
I know a few pilots who worked for Voyageur when they never use to make pilots sign a training bond. Instead they would simply ask of a new hire that they stay with the company for a minimum of one year service. But too many greedy pilots would up and leave, some within days of obtaining their King-Air PPC that was paid for by the company, so Voyageur had to find a way to make the pilots keep their word.
It's been said many times that 'pilots are our own worst enemies', and the longer I'm in this industry I sadly am beginning to believe it.
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rigpiggy wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that they paid you back with little or no interest. I have a friend who went there to get the African Adventure. His take was in the end it would cost him about 1000$Tim wrote:It's not 'buying' a job if they give you the money back.
To be honest I'm not 100% sure, but I've got several buddies with VAL (Sioux Lookout, N. Bay, Moncton medevac) and what I've heard is that they repay you the initial cost PLUS all of the associated interest
yycguy, I think you hit the nail on the head.
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I agree totally with the above two posts.
For example, with Bearskin you take out the loan, work out the interest, they pay, fixed interest, no questions asked on the rate.
You are not buying the job.
They are tired of paying to take guys to court to pay for the training that they have received.
Don't give me the crap about the guys who can't get a loan from the bank. If you have half a brain you can walk in there with the letter from the HR department stating that they will deposit the exact amount of the monthly loan payments into the bank.
If you don't have half a brain then buy a helmet.
If you think that it's really sucky and it really stinks and it's all about the principal: life sucks buy a helmet. xoxo
For example, with Bearskin you take out the loan, work out the interest, they pay, fixed interest, no questions asked on the rate.
You are not buying the job.
They are tired of paying to take guys to court to pay for the training that they have received.
Don't give me the crap about the guys who can't get a loan from the bank. If you have half a brain you can walk in there with the letter from the HR department stating that they will deposit the exact amount of the monthly loan payments into the bank.
If you don't have half a brain then buy a helmet.
If you think that it's really sucky and it really stinks and it's all about the principal: life sucks buy a helmet. xoxo
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Tim Tam, if all you do is . insults, go away again - we won't miss you (Voyageur has a job for you).
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I agree with you Tim Tam.
So Doc is the grass really greener over at Seeing as there's no "bond" or "having to buy a job" can I come and get my PPC on your I "promise" I'll stay for the year..... "if some dumb shit pilot is stupid enough to buy a job" you said it.
Seems to me you need change your panties, get with the times.... the old school way of things is out. Sorry you had to find out this way, but I think it's time you get off your redneck pony and open your eyes.
For a signature worth $20,000 you could be driving a Q-400 too! Don't worry, you don't have to come up with the money just sign on the dotted line...
edited because names were named. Do this again, and you'll get a little vacation from this web site....any questions?
So Doc is the grass really greener over at Seeing as there's no "bond" or "having to buy a job" can I come and get my PPC on your I "promise" I'll stay for the year..... "if some dumb shit pilot is stupid enough to buy a job" you said it.
Seems to me you need change your panties, get with the times.... the old school way of things is out. Sorry you had to find out this way, but I think it's time you get off your redneck pony and open your eyes.
For a signature worth $20,000 you could be driving a Q-400 too! Don't worry, you don't have to come up with the money just sign on the dotted line...
edited because names were named. Do this again, and you'll get a little vacation from this web site....any questions?
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Tim Tam, FlightFX, There is no need to sling personal insults at Doc and Catdriver just because they have strong opinions on training bonds. If I were an outsider reading the threads I would have to wonder about the professionalism of all pilots who cannot discuss a subject in an adult manner.
Catdriver, I hope you are not suggesting that because someone signs a training bond that they are stupid and incompetent pilots. I also hope you are not suggesting that the only way you can become an expert pilot is to fly with yourself or Doc !!
The realities of flying have certainly changed in the last 30yrs, training bonds have become a fact of life for the younger pilots today ( rightly or wrongly). I was hoping that with the pilot shortage, these things would go the way of the Dodo, that however, hasn't happened yet!
For reasons of their own, young pilots are not moving north these days ( less flying up there perhaps) and more of them`are vying for jobs at places like VAL, Thunder, etc. While I personally dislike the whole idea of training bonds I also understand that pilots for their own reasons have to sign them ( the industry has most of them by the short and curlies i.e high debt load low job opportunities). I applaud places like Commercial Aviation, Clearwater Aviation who do not charge bonds, they manage to keep their pilots by treating them O.K.!!!!!!! But before I slam someone for "bringing down the industry" I have to ask myself if I may have contributed to the state of things myself. Cat ,Doc if you have never, EVER, taken a job where you felt you were under paid than you can get up on a soap box and preached to these young guys. Otherwise you (like me ) have contributed to the state of the industry. Instead of blaming the new guys for the state of things we have to realize that it has become this way while we were at the helm. So instead of questioning the competence of the new pilots because they feel it neccesary to sign bonds, lets help them out by pointing them to places that don't. That way when there are no longer a pool of pilots for VAL then maybe they will change their tune. ( by the way I have heard that Thunder treats its pilots well !!!)
I also notice nobody slams Air Canada for paying new hires $37,500 for the first year and $42,000 for the second year , if thats not a training bond I don't know what is!!!!!!
To all you young pilots on this board. Yes Cat and Doc seem to have an opinion on everything to do with flying ,but that may be because they have a lot experience. If you take out the insults to intelligence and competence there may be something worthwhile to listen when experience speaks.
There I'm done boys.... have at'er
Catdriver, I hope you are not suggesting that because someone signs a training bond that they are stupid and incompetent pilots. I also hope you are not suggesting that the only way you can become an expert pilot is to fly with yourself or Doc !!
The realities of flying have certainly changed in the last 30yrs, training bonds have become a fact of life for the younger pilots today ( rightly or wrongly). I was hoping that with the pilot shortage, these things would go the way of the Dodo, that however, hasn't happened yet!
For reasons of their own, young pilots are not moving north these days ( less flying up there perhaps) and more of them`are vying for jobs at places like VAL, Thunder, etc. While I personally dislike the whole idea of training bonds I also understand that pilots for their own reasons have to sign them ( the industry has most of them by the short and curlies i.e high debt load low job opportunities). I applaud places like Commercial Aviation, Clearwater Aviation who do not charge bonds, they manage to keep their pilots by treating them O.K.!!!!!!! But before I slam someone for "bringing down the industry" I have to ask myself if I may have contributed to the state of things myself. Cat ,Doc if you have never, EVER, taken a job where you felt you were under paid than you can get up on a soap box and preached to these young guys. Otherwise you (like me ) have contributed to the state of the industry. Instead of blaming the new guys for the state of things we have to realize that it has become this way while we were at the helm. So instead of questioning the competence of the new pilots because they feel it neccesary to sign bonds, lets help them out by pointing them to places that don't. That way when there are no longer a pool of pilots for VAL then maybe they will change their tune. ( by the way I have heard that Thunder treats its pilots well !!!)
I also notice nobody slams Air Canada for paying new hires $37,500 for the first year and $42,000 for the second year , if thats not a training bond I don't know what is!!!!!!
To all you young pilots on this board. Yes Cat and Doc seem to have an opinion on everything to do with flying ,but that may be because they have a lot experience. If you take out the insults to intelligence and competence there may be something worthwhile to listen when experience speaks.
There I'm done boys.... have at'er
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Well said Chu Me!
I as younger pilot have a lot to learn from fellas such as yourself, Cat & even Doc.
Perhaps if I had the opportunity to chat with you 2 years ago, things may have been different.
It's a rocky industry... but who has more fun than we do????!!!!
Love what you do, hate what you don't!!
Cheers!
I as younger pilot have a lot to learn from fellas such as yourself, Cat & even Doc.
Perhaps if I had the opportunity to chat with you 2 years ago, things may have been different.
It's a rocky industry... but who has more fun than we do????!!!!
Love what you do, hate what you don't!!
Cheers!
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So if you lot think that paying up front for a job is a necessary step in a pilot's career and some companies needed to instigate this policy because some evil pilots left early and stiffed these unnamed companies for the cost of their training/ppc/ifr/whatever, why is there such a huge turnover and new ads for these (unnamed) companies every 2 months or so DESPITE the employment fee?
1. They treat their crews like sh*t
2. All of their employees are leaving to go to Westjet or the Maldives
3. The money was so good that they've all taken early retirement and can be found on the beach in the Caribbean, pina colada in hand
4. They're all in Kingston for having murdered/decapitated/eaten the Ops Manager
5. They treat their crews with the contempt that a scammer has for his victims
Pick one.
By the way, the preferred travel arrangements for the employees of the unnamed company is Greyhound

1. They treat their crews like sh*t
2. All of their employees are leaving to go to Westjet or the Maldives
3. The money was so good that they've all taken early retirement and can be found on the beach in the Caribbean, pina colada in hand
4. They're all in Kingston for having murdered/decapitated/eaten the Ops Manager
5. They treat their crews with the contempt that a scammer has for his victims
Pick one.
By the way, the preferred travel arrangements for the employees of the unnamed company is Greyhound



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Hi xsbank,xsbank wrote:Tim Tam, if all you do is . insults, go away again - we won't miss you (Voyageur has a job for you).
I am trying to prove a point that Doc, as a Moderator, should not be "chucking insults" about whatever he feels negative about. Calling them names, any name is not what a Mod should be doing. His hate-on for airline pilots is another story...
I am sure if he can dish it out, then he can surely take it.
Now, you should know that I work at Westjet from previous posts. Never worked at Voyageur. Don't agree with what they do, but I can UNDERSTAND why they do it. If a guy wants to go there and take a huge risk, well, I say go for it. Won't affect you or me.
BTW: I thought you were done with these posts about Voyageur? Why does it bother YOU so much?
Another BTW: does this mean you will not look at my resume?

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Tim Tam, I have left the building on the subject as far as VAL is concerned. I, however do not have a "hate on" for airline pilots. I have some very good friends who fly for the airlines, including some you may know. Oh, and I CAN take it. I have been known to start threads just for that purpose. To stir it up. I'm not even against "bonds". My comments have nothing to do with being a moderator on the site. I am able to "moderate" the site when I notice personal attacks, naming names, distasteful content. I'm a very laid back individual. It bothers me when I see exploitation in any form. I would really like to see things go back to a time when a pilot was as good as his word. We really are our own worst enemies. Don't loose touch with the fact that for every pilot who "went back on his word" there are at least as many companies who have gone back on theirs. I know pilots who have taken out loans to work for a "certain" company, only to be stationed somewhere other than the agreed upon base/aircraft. It has become a one way street. Advantage: scum bag company. You work at WestJet. You're a very lucky lad. You either knew someone, or, were at the right place at the right time. But, knowing that, I'm surprised you don't feel the way I do about this exploitation of young pilots.
I don't know why I really care who works for who. Who has to pay for a job, and who doesn't. But by not caring, the problem will not go away.
And, unless provoked (probably by yourself) I will stay away from the subject. Obviously, the youngsters have no problem paying up front for their jobs,(I suspect, in most cases, it's their Daddy's money anyway) so why should I?
I don't know why I really care who works for who. Who has to pay for a job, and who doesn't. But by not caring, the problem will not go away.
And, unless provoked (probably by yourself) I will stay away from the subject. Obviously, the youngsters have no problem paying up front for their jobs,(I suspect, in most cases, it's their Daddy's money anyway) so why should I?
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This is an intersting topic. Without trying to sound insulting to Doc or Cat, I think times have changed. I don't think I am as old as these 2 guys, but I have been around in the bush flying world for a "few" years. Last summer, my employer suggested that with the shortage of pilots in the "city pilot" world (not floats) ,, that I could should consider this new world. Hey work all year round, spend time with firends and family in the summer, what a novel idea. Make my 6 months wages over a year. One year later, fresh mifr, I am an f/o on a twin. No chance to get PIC time. I now make 1/2 what I used to make. The 703/04 world seems like a joke. Hey we know you want to move on, so I'll screw you and you screw me. They used to knock float flying, poorly maintained aircraft, flying in bad weather, bla, bla bla. The bush industry is miles ahead of these airport operators. It seems this part of the industry is based on lies and deciei. I see pilots leave because they are over worked, because the company can't or won't hire enough pilots.
My current employer overworks his staff because they can't or won't hire enough staff. People get pissed off because of no time off and leave. Who is to blame?
There are comments about pilots getting PPC's and leaving. Like I've said before, if you are being treated right, why would you leave. Where are you going to go with a new PPC if you have no time on type. If you check the wages, there is a scale for each level. i.e., ho drivers get $35K to $45K, etc. So.. logically, the only reason to take your PPC and run is because you are not being treated right. Now for some of the new generation, (not all) not being treated right is not getting 6 figures and running the company with 300 hr. I have watched F/O's leave our company, who knew, right at the start, that they either couldn't fly or fit in.
Companies are still sitting there, with old world thoughts, trying to hire the new generation. These "kids" have no respect for anyone or anything. The companies are large. They know that the "new generation" pilot only wants to move onto big iron werre they get to "fly".
It is a catch 22. Companies are getting screwed over, training people, only to have them leave. Hey you want to fly for me..prove it..put your money where your mouth is. I can see how this happens. It is a unique industry. Where else can you spend 4 yr go to college or flight school, pay $100K so you can make $25K a year riskinbg your life.
I am looking at this conundrum from an outsiders point of view. We all need to work. Employees are screwing companies, companies are screwing employees. Cat and Doc, I am not condoning what VAL or Wasaya does. But I must say, that I don't see many bad comments about how some of these companies, I am talking about cptns, not rampies or f/o's treat their staff. There is an old saying "screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me!"
This is a neutral thought. If I thought that the company I was going to work for offered everything that I thought I wanted in aviation, I would have no qualms in signing a bond. A loan ???? Maybe. It is not as cut and dried as it used to be.
Remember NDB and VOR approaches. GNSS is the way of the future and loans may well be there as well.
We are a dying breed..the new generation doesn't want to learn about the old ways and days. Astrocompass????
My current employer overworks his staff because they can't or won't hire enough staff. People get pissed off because of no time off and leave. Who is to blame?
There are comments about pilots getting PPC's and leaving. Like I've said before, if you are being treated right, why would you leave. Where are you going to go with a new PPC if you have no time on type. If you check the wages, there is a scale for each level. i.e., ho drivers get $35K to $45K, etc. So.. logically, the only reason to take your PPC and run is because you are not being treated right. Now for some of the new generation, (not all) not being treated right is not getting 6 figures and running the company with 300 hr. I have watched F/O's leave our company, who knew, right at the start, that they either couldn't fly or fit in.
Companies are still sitting there, with old world thoughts, trying to hire the new generation. These "kids" have no respect for anyone or anything. The companies are large. They know that the "new generation" pilot only wants to move onto big iron werre they get to "fly".
It is a catch 22. Companies are getting screwed over, training people, only to have them leave. Hey you want to fly for me..prove it..put your money where your mouth is. I can see how this happens. It is a unique industry. Where else can you spend 4 yr go to college or flight school, pay $100K so you can make $25K a year riskinbg your life.
I am looking at this conundrum from an outsiders point of view. We all need to work. Employees are screwing companies, companies are screwing employees. Cat and Doc, I am not condoning what VAL or Wasaya does. But I must say, that I don't see many bad comments about how some of these companies, I am talking about cptns, not rampies or f/o's treat their staff. There is an old saying "screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me!"
This is a neutral thought. If I thought that the company I was going to work for offered everything that I thought I wanted in aviation, I would have no qualms in signing a bond. A loan ???? Maybe. It is not as cut and dried as it used to be.
Remember NDB and VOR approaches. GNSS is the way of the future and loans may well be there as well.
We are a dying breed..the new generation doesn't want to learn about the old ways and days. Astrocompass????

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Great post and bang on about the industry and what caused the change.We are a dying breed..the new generation doesn't want to learn about the old ways and days. Astrocompass????
The old Cat can relate to the whole thing having started flying in the Biplane era and finished my career flying PFD's using RNS to navigate.....and of course in the middle of my career the astrocompass..

BTW:::::
Sportsex was safer in the old days.....you got the clap you went to the nursing stations and they pounded you full of penecillin......today you get AIDS you die....thinking about the risk of clap you can still maintain a working tool.....thinking of AIDS the tool becomes unusable.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Re: Voyageur Airways
Tim Tam, I have stopped doing resumes - we'll see how busy I'll get this winter and I might make an exception for you! One post without an insult redeems you and makes you whole again!
Doc summed up the attitude to the (unnamed) company perfectly. I would merely add, why is there such a huge turnover when they have aircraft that most pilots dream about?
Just because you are a moderator does not exclude you from offering your opinion - why would it? Doc has not abused his power (at least not on this site
) so there is little to complain about.
Doc summed up the attitude to the (unnamed) company perfectly. I would merely add, why is there such a huge turnover when they have aircraft that most pilots dream about?
Just because you are a moderator does not exclude you from offering your opinion - why would it? Doc has not abused his power (at least not on this site

"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."