U.S. linked to most Canadian gun crime

[Sheila]

Article by Bob Weber from the Canadian Press.

A new study suggests most of the guns used to commit crimes in Canada have been smuggled in from the United States.
The study, published Wednesday in the Journal of Criminology and Criminal Justice, found that the best available data suggests that about two-thirds of crime guns seized in Canada have their origin south of the border.
It’s a situation the Americans would be unlikely to accept if it were reversed, said one of the report’s authors.
“The U.S. never hesitates to draw attention to threats to its security,” said Wendy Cukier of Ryerson University, one of the report’s authors and a prominent gun control activist.
“Canada seldom points to the obvious fact that lax U.S. gun laws not only result in high numbers of Americans being killed with guns, but fuel the illegal gun trade and handgun homicide in Canada, in Mexico, in the Caribbean and indeed around the world.”
The study, conducted by Cukier as well as researchers in the U.S. and Great Britain, looked at the underground market between the U.S., Canada and Mexico.
“It is not possible to determine with certainty the percentage of guns used in crime in Canada or Mexico that have been illegally exported from the Unites States, but there is some relevant evidence available that indicates the proportion is high,” the study says.

“There are very few cases that show handguns used in crime coming from anywhere other than the USA.”
In 2006, Toronto police successfully traced back 181 guns used in crimes to their original sale. The source of 120 of them was the U.S.
An Ontario-wide gun tracing program found that 69 per cent of 705 guns used in 2007 in crimes in that province could be traced to the U.S. About 90 per cent of those guns were either restricted or prohibited in Canada.
That same year, the Canadian Firearms Program reported that of the 710 guns used by criminals it was able to trace in 2007, 54 per cent were smuggled.
And last year, Canadian customs officials say they seized 514 restricted and prohibited weapons. Customs officials stop about three per cent of the traffic that flows across the border.

“The patterns seem well-established,” said Cukier in an email.

Most of the smuggled guns — and guns used in crime — are handguns. The majority of rifles and shotguns used in crimes originate in Canada.
Criminal gangs are the recipients of most of the smuggled guns.
“Illegal trafficked weapons are primarily used by criminal groups of varying degrees of organization,” the report says.
Still, it’s tough to get complete data on the sources of guns used in crimes.
Many crime guns aren’t recovered. Serial numbers are often erased and unrecoverable. And it’s doubly difficult to track guns from countries outside the U.S., such as China, Cukier said.
Cukier said Canada should step up its efforts to fight gun-running.
“Canada should be taking a lead role in international efforts to combat the illicit trade in small arms,” she said.
Canada has yet to ratify the UN Firearms Protocol, under which countries promise to do more to fight the illegal traffic in small arms around the world.

I think this writer is not accurate to say this data is 'suggesting a link to gun crimes'. I think he should of wrote something like 'this study confirms that most criminal guns are from the U.S. , which are smuggled in illegally, and it is a DANGEROUS, SERIOUS THREAT to Homeland Security'. It would not be false and maybe it would get attention. If that activist was right then Canada should be confronting U.S. about their negligence in gun smuggling, and gun crime. This just shows homeland security is LAX on organized crime and they are very strict about identifying people, and making sure they get special id cards and passports.

[grimey]

How is Canadian border security a US problem, and vice versa? They are a sovereign nation with the right to determine their own laws.

[Hedley]

I think this article show how well gun control legislation
is working in Canada.

The honest citizens have been disarmed, and the
criminals have illegal weapons.

Congratulations, government! You've succeeded in
disarming the honest citizens, and arming the criminals -
who couldn't care less about the laws, not completely
unlike politicians - which makes it easier for the criminals
to prey upon honest citizens.

And isn't that what every honest citizen wants from
their government - to make criminals lives easier?

[Jastapilot]

This has been going on long before the Libs started the registry. Nice to see nothing has changed since.

[Hedley]

It's good to know that the taxpayer got good value
on the $2B spent on the registry.

[Donald]

Well at least in Canada shootings like this one are far less common.

[ScudRunner]

I think this article show how well gun control legislation
is working in Canada.

The honest citizens have been disarmed, and the
criminals have illegal weapons.

Congratulations, government! You've succeeded in
disarming the honest citizens, and arming the criminals -
who couldn't care less about the laws, not completely
unlike politicians - which makes it easier for the criminals
to prey upon honest citizens.

And isn't that what every honest citizen wants from
their government - to make criminals lives easier?

I think a more appropriate way to say it is "Criminals Still have illegal weapons" not as if they where complying with the law 10, 20 or 30 years ago or even a month ago.

Option A:
I'm going to rob a bank so I need to go and take a course pass a test submit my info wait wait wait get approved (being a Criminal already one would hope not) go to store buy gun Wait for some out of work fisherman in New Brunswick (Cough Make Work Project Cough) to approve the sale. Ok go time lets rob a bank!!!

Option B:
Ask my Criminal Buddy who's involved in organized crime to get me a Gun. Obtain gun that was bought at swap meet in the states and smuggled across the border. Sold done Bank robbed.

If you think Option A is what really happens you may be a member of the liberal Party or just plain retarded, I'm sorry person with a disability.

[Hedley]

a member of the liberal Party

Hey! No making fun of Liberals (or even liberals).

I'm honest enough to admit that I have a liberal in
my family. Yes, it's true - our family dog. He's always
looking for a handout

[b1ngnx33]

I propose Bill C-8392.

1. To make and create the USA Illegal Gun Smuggling Registry.

For the purpose of cataloging and tracking all illegal gun smugglers that are or planning to operate in Canada or around

Canada for the express purpose of gun trafficking and smuggling.

2. To pay b1ngnx33 three billion dollars per annum for this extremely entertaining, yet educational, plan.

3. We are assuming that these gun smuggler operators will abide by this Bill C-8392 and do voluntary registering.

4. Even though gun smugglers outside Canada do not have to follow any single or pluralistic laws from Canada, we know

that they will.

5. All gun smugglers will pay b1ngnx33 20% of their gross sales to swiss bank numbered account 3872-98/15-5815-515.

6. Have a nice day.

[BibleMonkey]

U.S. linked to most Canadian gun crime

U.S. is linked to most Canadian airplane crashes, too, since most involved airplanes are made in the U.S .

U.S. is linked to most Canadian toaster/bathtub electrocutions, since most Canadian toasters are imported from the U.S.


They're going to kill us all.
Those Bastards.


I'm going to get one of these invisible raincoats, made by
Susumu Tachi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susumu_Tachi
in the bottom left movie there:
http://projects.tachilab.org/rpt/movie.php

Can't hit what you can't see, eh? *taps head with finger*

[BibleMonkey]

Also that invisible raincoat would be a pretty good investment all around-I could follow my wife around for a day without her noticing.

I have some niggling can't-put-my-finger-on-it doubts about her "grandfathers genes skipping a generation " story she's using to explain how come alla of our kids look just like the postman.....

[The Old Fogducker]

a member of the liberal Party

Hey! No making fun of Liberals (or even liberals).

I'm honest enough to admit that I have a liberal in
my family. Yes, it's true - our family dog. He's always
looking for a handout

Absolute classic Hedley ...but rather rough on our liberal friends aren't you? I believe you have mischaracterized liberals as being unwilling to do a fair days work to obtain a fair days pay, and create something lasting to be proud of at the same time.

After all, it takes considerable effort for them to complete a form to obtain a grant or hop on the freedom train of an "entitlement." Further, they must hone their communications skills to convince a counsellor to put them on a free housing and grocery program.

Those fat-cat, greedy company CEOs all steal, so what's wrong with a few libs getting their tiny leftover piece of the pie, like The Jeffersons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcggr_23WJU

Fog

[Guido]

[grimey]

Well at least in Canada shootings like this one are far less common.

Why is it so freaking hard for some people to figure out how to store firearms properly? If you want to carry concealed, fine, but actually carry it, or have it locked up. Don't just leave it on the kitchen table.

Felt like a hick cleaning my Lee-Enfield on my porch the other night. Then I remembered I live in Arnprior, so it's normal.

[JakeYYZ]

Any stat’s on the origins of the perp’s? You know, the people committing the gun crime.
Any common threads? <crickets chirping>

[Icebound]

Well at least in Canada shootings like this one are far less common.

Why is it so freaking hard for some people to figure out how to store firearms properly? ....snip....


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Because the whole premise for "right to bear arms" is self-protection.
How do you protect yourself with a gun which is somewhere locked up in a safe???

I will bet the vast majority of US homes that have a hand-gun... have at least one hand-gun "handy".

Which is partly why 30,000 people per year die in the US from gun shot every year.

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[Siddley Hawker]

Any stat’s on the origins of the perp’s? You know, the people committing the gun crime.
Any common threads?

You should pose that question to Wendy Cukier or one of her acolytes. Don't hold your breath while awaiting an answer, though.

[grimey]

Well at least in Canada shootings like this one are far less common.

Why is it so freaking hard for some people to figure out how to store firearms properly? ....snip....


.

Because the whole premise for "right to bear arms" is self-protection.
How do you protect yourself with a gun which is somewhere locked up in a safe???

I will bet the vast majority of US homes that have a hand-gun... have at least one hand-gun "handy".

Which is partly why 30,000 people per year die in the US from gun shot every year.

...

Did you read the rest of my post? Apparently not. If people want to carry, then they should actually be CARRYING. Not leaving a 9mm on the kitchen table for everyone to use. I have no problem with people having CCW permits.

[Icebound]

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Why is it so freaking hard for some people to figure out how to store firearms properly? ....snip....


.

Because the whole premise for "right to bear arms" is self-protection.
How do you protect yourself with a gun which is somewhere locked up in a safe???

I will bet the vast majority of US homes that have a hand-gun... have at least one hand-gun "handy".

Which is partly why 30,000 people per year die in the US from gun shot every year.

...

Did you read the rest of my post? Apparently not. If people want to carry, then they should actually be CARRYING. Not leaving a 9mm on the kitchen table for everyone to use. I have no problem with people having CCW permits.

Nobody is going to be "CARRYING" while he is relaxing in front of the TV with a beer and the game on. Or having lunch at the kitchen table. Or upstairs with his mistress. Or having a shower. Or doing any of a million things around the house.

It will be on a table or in a drawer or under a pillow, or somewhere like that. It SHOULD be in a safe, but then, my point about protection...


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[Icebound]

I have no problem with people having CCW permits.

It is interesting that the state with the highest per-capita gun deaths (Nevada) has the highest handgun sales and registration, and also one of the most liberal CCW policies.


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[grimey]

Check you stats. Nevada is behind Alaska, Louisiana, Wyoming, Arizona, and DC fore per capita firearms deaths.

Interesting that DC, which DOESN'T allow CCW, has no "stand your ground law", and is in many ways more restrictive than Canada, has the highest firearms death rate.

Statistics can be made to say anything you want, especially when you pull them out of your ass.

Vermont has THE most liberal concealed carry law in the US. If you're over 16, and not a felon, you can carry without a permit. Their murder rate is 1.9 per 100k, and they're 34th for firearms death rate at 9.6/100k, 1.9 below the national average. Their suicide rate is 13.9/100k, with 7.9/100k of those by firearm. Assuming the numbers were taken from different recent years, or are rounded (as they don't add up), that still leaves almost no accidental gun deaths in the most liberal CCW state in the US. Vermont's suicide rate is slightly higher than Canada's, and their murder rate is basically identical. Roughly 50 people in Canada have CCW.

http://www.sprc.org/stateinformation/PD ... asheet.pdf
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mu ... er-100-000
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/hlth66d-eng.htm
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidie ... 3a-eng.htm

This doesn't say that CCW prevents deaths, or that it causes them. The data could be cherry picked by state to support either side. Population density, poverty levels, drug use rates, and gang activity likely all play a larger role in firearms death rates than CCW permits.

[2R]

Guns do not kill people.People kill people.
In Switzerland everyone of military age is obliged to have a gun.And yet the Swiis do not have these gun murders.
Perhaps the is an advantage in having a well educated civilised population.
Although in Tito's Yugoslavia all military aged men where required to keep a gun clean and ready to defend their country.
Switzerland and Yugoslavia share many traits ,lets us hope they do not share a similar history.I would hate to lose my favourite source of chocolate.

You can always tell when you are in an area with a propensity to violence .The people are polite as manners are the first and best form of self-defense.Just like some of the most violent people i have ever met were also the most polite when they where not trying to put six inch nails through your knee caps.
Guns take a lot of the challenge and pleasure out of beating someone with their own weapon of choice.Live by the sword,die by it.Putin understands this well that is why those russian arms dealers who were selling Nuclear weapons where killed with nuclear poisons.

[samm3]

I think this article show how well gun control legislation
is working in Canada.

The honest citizens have been disarmed, and the
criminals have illegal weapons.

Congratulations, government! You've succeeded in
disarming the honest citizens, and arming the criminals -
who couldn't care less about the laws, not completely
unlike politicians - which makes it easier for the criminals
to prey upon honest citizens.

And isn't that what every honest citizen wants from
their government - to make criminals lives easier?

This is what I've been saying all along!!

[Icebound]

Check you stats. Nevada is behind Alaska, Louisiana, Wyoming, Arizona, and DC fore per capita firearms deaths.

Interesting that DC, which DOESN'T allow CCW, has no "stand your ground law", and is in many ways more restrictive than Canada, has the highest firearms death rate.

Well, not quite.... Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, and DC maybe, and Mississippi is close. The Article I read had quoted the CDC as saying Nevada, but it may have been for a prior year. The lastes available on the CDC site is 2006 which shows DC, Louisiana, Alabama, Alaska, then Nevada, Mississippi, Arizona, Arkansas, Wyoming....

Re DC: just goes to show that to prevent gun deaths you need to create an atmosphere within society where the people do not feel that they need guns...Because even with restrictions, if people feel they need to use guns, they will use guns...


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[2R]

Did i forget to mention that the guns in almost every house in Switzerland are fully automatic military grade crowd pleasers ,and yet they live in peace and harmony in alpine bliss