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PARIS - Airlines were ordered Friday to replace the speed probes on Airbus A330 and A340 jets with models made by U.S. firm Goodrich, after earlier versions were linked to the loss of an Air France flight.

Planemaker Airbus and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) both said "pitot" speed monitors made by the European electronics giant Thales should be replaced by those made by its American rival.

Investigators believe false data from speed monitors could have contributed to the crash of Flight 447 in the Atlantic on June 1 that killed all 228 people on board, and airlines have already begun replacing the devices.

But this month an Airbus A320 jet equipped with new-generation pitot probes made by Thales experienced a similar malfunction, causing pilots' unions to demand versions built by Goodrich.

"We have sent a letter to all our operators to recommend that they replace Thales pitots with Goodrich pitots on their fleets of A330 and A340," an Airbus spokeswoman told AFP, describing this as a "precautionary measure".

In Cologne, Germany, the EASA issued a statement confirming that it was preparing an order to the same effect to be issued within 14 days.

The airlines should change at least two out of the three speed probes on each plane to a Goodrich model, Airbus and EASA said.

Air France, one of the main users of Thales pitots, confirmed that it would comply with the decision and update its fleet accordingly.

"Technical instructions permitting this replacement will be available during the course of next week. Air France will then begin to modify its fleet of A330 and A340 aircraft," the company said in a statement.

The new policy will affect around 200 planes from a total fleet of around 1,000 A330 and A340 long-haul jets in service with various airlines around the world, the rest already being equipped with the American probes.
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About 12 years ago, I did some engineering design work on pitot tubes for a company that was later bought out by Thales....... :roll:
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Wow, Pitot really looks like Pilot when you speed read through this forum... got me all hot and bothered for a second! Would make for an interesting debate though...
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aileron wrote:Wow, Pitot really looks like Pilot when you speed read through this forum... got me all hot and bothered for a second! Would make for an interesting debate though...
+1 :oops:
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Ve are superior!
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Anything Europeans can do, Americans can do even better!
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I took an American manufacturer of Pitot tubes fishing two weeks ago.

He had a wide smile on his face.

I wonder why...

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Just curious why you've titled the thread the way you have, Hedley? Are you being sarcastic? If not, why do you think the Thales are superior and why would Airbus and EASA recommend the Goodrich's?
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Now if we can just prevent European PILOTS from flying directly in CBs topped at 57,000feet, things might get a lot more routine regardless as to the make of PITOT on the aircraft! {See Aviation Week plot of the aircraft track into the solid line of CBs}
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If you look at our Evektor you'd realise the Czechs have the biggest and best pitots, especially compared to the little tube under the Citabria's wing.
Is it like comparing willies?
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Now if we can just prevent European PILOTS from flying directly in CBs topped at 57,000feet, things might get a lot more routine regardless as to the make of PITOT on the aircraft! {See Aviation Week plot of the aircraft track into the solid line of cbs
Oh, well...

I remember not so long ago, an AA captain on a 767, unable to wake up a Cuban ATC controller
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at 3 AM for permission to deviate, flew right in the middle of one of these giant cells,
broke the legs of a dozen passengers and made the laughingstock of his company,
a bit like that "Canada Dry" Gimli stuff...

As they say in racing engines, "You cant beat cubic inches", so it goes in aviatin',
"You cant beat brain cells"!
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"You cant beat cubic inches",
Yes you can, you get many more ccs for your money...

American engines are so passe!
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Pfft!!!

Whiny zeropean sewing machines that cost $5,000 for an oil change!

Now, here's a real engine the zurps never could build:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gQ_HlxG ... re=related
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clunckdriver wrote:Now if we can just prevent European PILOTS from flying directly in CBs topped at 57,000feet, things might get a lot more routine regardless as to the make of PITOT on the aircraft! {See Aviation Week plot of the aircraft track into the solid line of CBs}
Or from landing right smack in the middle of one. Air France in YYZ still rings a bell...idiots.

Don't be that guy -- ever.
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clunckdriver wrote:
Now if we can just prevent European PILOTS from flying directly in CBs topped at 57,000feet, things might get a lot more routine regardless as to the make of PITOT on the aircraft! {See Aviation Week plot of the aircraft track into the solid line of CBs}


Or from landing right smack in the middle of one. Air France in YYZ still rings a bell...idiots.

Don't be that guy -- ever.
The pilots you are mentionning are dead now. Thanks for them.

Sure the Air France captain that has more than 10 000 hours went directly to the bad weather on purpose, he didn' t even know what is a CB!!!. Because he his french. Because he his european. Sure man. If it makes you feel better. You are superior man.
He is dead now, give the guy a rest.

And the one who said "fucking idiots" remember your career is not finished... It could give you bad luck to insult pilots you don' t know...
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Some people are simpletons and do not look into the reasons behind what 'we' do.
Many of us a very lucky to have survived the stupid things we have done.
He/she who has not done something stupid and been glad to get away with it, simply had a bad day, or did not eat breakfast, is a rare person.

We used the term CP, Captain Perfect, for such people... We all eat our own words from time to time.
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Panama Jack:
Anything Europeans can do, Americans can do even better!
First, who are "Americans" for you, to which country you are refering to?

Second, give an example of what "Americans" do better.

Some tips in what they are better: pollution, fat people, financial mess, unfair war, lies, propaganda...

But they send less sattelite into space, launch less rockets into space, produce less car, helicopter, and big/heavy jet airliners than europeans per year :cry: Time to wake up you superior americans.
Hey, next time you fly your Boeing 737 NG (or your space shuttle for that matter), have a look at the brand of your tyres, there is a good chance it is a french one :shock:

Americans, the only people in the world who don' t have to be paid by their government to make propaganda.

As a reminder:
Henri Pitot (May 3, 1695 – December 27, 1771) was a French hydraulic engineer and the inventor of the Pitot tube.
He became interested in studying the flow of water at various depths and was responsible for disproving the prevailing belief that speed of water increases with depth.
In a Pitot tube the height of the fluid column is proportional to the square of the velocity. This relationship was discovered intuitively by Henri Pitot in 1732, when he was assigned the task of measuring the flow in the river Seine.
He rose to fame with the design of Aqueduc de Saint-Clément near Montpellier and the extension of Pont du Gard in Nîmes. In 1724 he became a member of the French Academy of Sciences, and in 1740 a fellow of the Royal Society.
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We have sent a letter to all our operators to recommend that they replace Thales pitots with Goodrich pitots on their fleets of A330 and A340," an Airbus spokeswoman told AFP, describing this as a "precautionary measure
Wow.

Once again the lawyers are talking........
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vamosalaplaya wrote:
clunckdriver wrote:
Now if we can just prevent European PILOTS from flying directly in CBs topped at 57,000feet, things might get a lot more routine regardless as to the make of PITOT on the aircraft! {See Aviation Week plot of the aircraft track into the solid line of CBs}


Or from landing right smack in the middle of one. Air France in YYZ still rings a bell... idiots.

Don't be that guy -- ever.
The pilots you are mentionning are dead now. Thanks for them.

Sure the Air France captain that has more than 10 000 hours went directly to the bad weather on purpose, he didn' t even know what is a CB!!!. Because he his french. Because he his european. Sure man. If it makes you feel better. You are superior man.
He is dead now, give the guy a rest.

And the one who said "idiots" remember your career is not finished... It could give you bad luck to insult pilots you don' t know...
You are correct. My career is not over. But, if in the course of my career I ever end up landing right smack in the middle of a severe thunderstorm, you have my permission to call me whatever names you want. Luck is one thing; an unbelievably stupid decision is another.

Don't go attacking CD for pointing out the obvious. His point has validity. Yeah, they're dead. What can we learn? How about don't fly through CBs topped at 57k. Oh, right: it was the pitot tubes, I forgot. Not sure what you're flying there, you French SkyGod, but in the big-boy world, wx radar is a go/nogo item. If it works, you avoid TS. If it doesn't, you turn around.

By the way:
Henri Pitot (May 3, 1695 – December 27, 1771) was a French hydraulic engineer and the inventor of the Pitot tube.
He became interested in studying the flow of water at various depths and was responsible for disproving the prevailing belief that speed of water increases with depth.
In a Pitot tube the height of the fluid column is proportional to the square of the velocity. This relationship was discovered intuitively by Henri Pitot in 1732, when he was assigned the task of measuring the flow in the river Seine.
He rose to fame with the design of Aqueduc de Saint-Clément near Montpellier and the extension of Pont du Gard in Nîmes. In 1724 he became a member of the French Academy of Sciences, and in 1740 a fellow of the Royal Society.


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you French SkyGod, but in the big-boy world, wx radar is a go/nogo item. If it works, you avoid TS. If it doesn't, you turn around.

Oh thank you big boy! Now that was helpful!

Man you are so full of yourself.
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The highest rates of so-called hull losses (in which an aircraft is basically “totaled”) last year involved airlines from three regions: Russia and other former Soviet states; Latin America and the Caribbean; and Africa. That was according to the International Air Transport Assn. Your safest flying last year was on airlines from Northern Asia, followed by Europe; North America and the Asia Pacific region tied for third place, with 0.58 hull-loss accidents per 1 million flights.
Time to teach your amazing method, and till now secret method, "turn around CBs" that nobody have heard about to your colleagues, cause it is safer to fly in Europe.
I don' t know why is that safer to take an airplane in Europe because there, they are always heading right into the CBs!!! They don' t know what is a CB!!! And according to big boy (who had access to the undiscover black box) that is what happened: the captain was french, and as a french he suddently went exactly in the middle of the CBs because he never saw one and wanted to see closer!!!

And the dead captain you are insulting with the content of your post had more than 10 000 hours of high altitude/ jet experience, use to be an Air Force pilot, and had experience on the south america-europe route. What about you big boy? If this captain comes back to life for a short while, are you going to teach him your lesson face to face?
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I am not a nice person. In fact, I'm pretty weak.
Sometimes, I just can't help myself, and I do
stuff like posting links like this:

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vamosalaplaya,

You obviously missed the sarcasim in his post - go back and then read the post, then take a look at the pic.

BTW - The space shuttle uses only one brand of tire.........Michelin.

http://www.airmichelin.com/generalcontent.aspx?id=81
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boeing boy.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelin

hmmmm........



F-cuk some of you are so ignorant...

Why don't you trace your roots before you slander them.....

ignorant not just as pilots but as human beings.
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