YXX near miss

Navajo-dude · Post by **Navajo-dude** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:17 pm

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Occurrence No. : A05P0037 Occurrence Type: INCIDENT VOLUNTARY
Class : CLASS 5 Reportable Type:
Date : 22-02-2005 Time : 16:55 PST
Region of Responsibility : PACIFIC
Location : CYXX ABBOTSFORD, BRITISH COLUMBIA

Aircraft Information:

Registration : C-GPIR Operator : PACIFIC PROFESSIONAL VISUAL FLIGHT TRAINING
Manufacturer : BEECH Operator Type: OTHER
Model : 76 CARs Info:
Injuries: Fatal : 0 Serious : 0 Minor : 0 None : 2 Unknown : 0

Registration : C-FGGB Operator : CHINOOK HELICOPTERS
Manufacturer : BELL HELICOPTER Operator Type: OTHER
Model : 47G-2 CARs Info:
Injuries: Fatal : 0 Serious : 0 Minor : 0 None : 2 Unknown : 0

Occurrence Summary :

A05P0037: The Bell 47G Helicopter, registration [C-FGGB], operated by Chinook Helicopters on a training flight was cleared for a right hand circuit in the infield at Abbottsford when the pilot took evasive action by descending to avoid incoming traffic 1/2 mile ahead. The flight crew of a Beech 76 Duchess, registration [C-GPIR], operated by Pacific Professional Flight training on an IFR test flight with an examiner and one ATPL licenced pilot onboard, cancelled IFR before they were cleared for an NDB low approach to runway 07; ATC advised them of the helicopter traffic, and requested to report the NDB inbound. The crew of the Beech did not report the NDB inbound. The crew of the Bell 47 reportedly heard the transmission advising the incoming Beech of helicopter traffic, but was not itself passed traffic. REGS77 reported C-FGGB in sight as the helicopter descended.

Wadd · Post by **Wadd** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:26 am

Probably a good thing the second a/c was a copter, able to avoid the beech that quickly. Man i can imagine they all had a good laugh after that one "Damn that beech almost hit me" "If i wanted a beech in the way, i'd have brought my wife along"

on a side note, ever wonder why they call a close call a "near miss"... shouldn it be a near hit? Seriously.. a CRASH should be a near miss.

"Wow, those planes nearly missed... but not quite"
- George Carlin

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:40 am

If anyone has ever seen the way the traffic patterns are in YXX they will agree that the folks in the tower are top notch by making it all work. The preferred VFR runway's pattern (01/19) crosses right the through the departure path of the IFR runway 07/25 and the buttons of 01 and 07 are almost on top of each other. To add to this, the infield of the triangle is a designated helicopter training area. On a busy day, which is any VFR day really, it looks like controlled chaos...but it works and works well.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:39 pm

And don't forget the aerobatic box directly above the helo's in the infield, and the gliders to the west of 19/01 on the weekends.

SkyKing · Post by **SkyKing** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:02 pm

Abbotsford can be a tricky place. Had a close encounter with a helo there a week ago. Neither us nor the chopper received info about the other from tower. We were cleared the touch and go on 07 with an approved left hand turn to the west. If we had not seen the chopper prior to the turn, it would have been very close; if not game over. The traffic patterns there, high helo activity, ifr training galore, vfr training and commercial airline activity means everyone must be extra cautious.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:00 pm

Skyking were you flying a Beech at the time?

*tries not to snicker*

*snickers*

SkyKing · Post by **SkyKing** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:34 am

HA! No, not a Beech, definately not a Dutchess, not GPIR, and not belonging to Pro, also not with JM in the right seat!

Fork-Tailed Devil · Post by **Fork-Tailed Devil** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:57 pm

I had a 'near miss' about 10 years ago in YXX on an IFR recurrent ride with JM in the right seat. We were inbound on the NDB approach approaching the beacon, I was under the hood. ATC for some reason cleared CP's Twin Comanche (who were VFR) from overhead the airport direct to the beacon without providing a traffic advisory. Next thing I know there were charts and maps on the ceiling as JM took control and shoved the nose down. It is common for pilots to do IFR training under VFR to save waiting for a slot time. As a training pilot my own policy was to file IFR for all training and checkrides. If you have to wait for a slot so be it, sit back and have a coffee. The VFR guys tend to be looking outside all the time anyway, the real hazard are the guys instrument training VFR. The reality is 1 guy is under the hood, and the other is busy as hell playing PNF, running emergency checklists, assessing the other's performance, and taking notes. So out of 4 eyes you have maybe 1 quarter of an eye looking outside. ATC normally gives traffic advisory priority to IFR aircraft, so if you're VFR and the frequency is congested as it often is at YXX in good weather, you may get none. I've had quite a few 'near misses' and I figure for every one I see there are probably five I don't. On a side note I was once flying with a guy at 2000 ft on a short hop through a busy VFR corridor, when I look over the autopilot's on and he's got his head down doing paperwork. All the while it looked like attack of the killer bees out there. We were getting swarmed from all directions by helicopters, floaters, blimps you name it, the TCAS looked like a game of Atari 'Centipede'. I think I said something to the effect of 'You gotta be F---ing kidding me.....I have control' as I clicked off the autopilot.

ZBB118.10 · Post by **ZBB118.10** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:25 am

N-Dude..

Can you tell me where you access the reports like the one you produced?

Cheers !