Commuting out of YHZ

[avcanada100]

YHZ commuters!............ Would you recommend commuting to someone who really doesn't want to move out of Halifax? Would it get better within 5 years with some seniority? Can you still enjoy your time off without getting stressed about getting to work? Thank you

[sepia]

On reserve + Halifax commute == hairclub for men.

[ToolShed]

On reserve + Halifax commute == hairclub for men.

lol Get some "Ronco GLH formula" to use once in YYZ.

[twinpratts]

A few years ago I was told there were over 800 F/As, and pilots commuting out of Halifax... just on the Red Team!

As a former commuter, I suggest you try it for 6-12 months. Give it a try, and that way you can tell, for yourself, what would be best for you and your family.

Best of luck.

[avcanada100]

Thanks guys. lol

[yycflyguy]

If you are considering commuting as a new hire you need to familiarize yourself with this latest release from ACPA regarding the company's expectations for commuting:

New Hire Passes
...At this time, new hire pilots are not provided with regular Company passes until their six month anniversary. Earlier today I confirmed that our new hires can travel on WestJet under the normal flight deck agreement once they are issued a RAIC pass. I would encourage pilots to review all historical data on the subject of WestJet jumpseat travel using the search engine on the ACPA website. It is suggested that new hire pilots travel in uniform and ensure there are several backup flights.

Unbelievable that Air Canada new hires are EXPECTED to travel on Westjet to get to and from work. My personal apologizes to any new hire placed in this situation.

[Rockie]

My personal apologizes to any new hire placed in this situation.

Unless you are responsible for personel management at Air Canada there is no need for you to apologize. I wish I knew if it was just ineptness on their part, or a deliberate effort to make people feel like an unwelcome liability from day one.

[yycflyguy]

My personal apologizes to any new hire placed in this situation.

Unless you are responsible for personel management at Air Canada there is no need for you to apologize. I wish I knew if it was just ineptness on their part, or a deliberate effort to make people feel like an unwelcome liability from day one.

As part of a membership that is supposed to protect the newest members I accept the responsibility and shame as equally as those that implement the policy. Same goes for the pay.

There should be a swift and clear denouncement from ACPA on this new "policy" which I suspect wont occur. For that, I apologize.

This is something the media would have a field day with. Imagine the headline:

Air Canada New Hire Must Fly On Competition To Get To Work

[rudder]

What is going on with the service charge on passes?

[Norwegianwood]

If you are considering commuting as a new hire you need to familiarize yourself with this latest release from ACPA regarding the company's expectations for commuting:

New Hire Passes
...At this time, new hire pilots are not provided with regular Company passes until their six month anniversary. Earlier today I confirmed that our new hires can travel on WestJet under the normal flight deck agreement once they are issued a RAIC pass. I would encourage pilots to review all historical data on the subject of WestJet jumpseat travel using the search engine on the ACPA website. It is suggested that new hire pilots travel in uniform and ensure there are several backup flights.

Unbelievable that Air Canada new hires are EXPECTED to travel on Westjet to get to and from work. My personal apologizes to any new hire placed in this situation.

A new alltime low! What an outfit, and acpa calls itself a union (association????)

[muchmoremusic]

Something must have changed since January, that is when I started and I had travel benefits for myself, wife and kids within 2 weeks, and until line indoc was done, new hires could book business travel, this covered the first 2.5 months for sure. I think the westjet stuff is FYI as a back up if the loads are high. just sayin..

[bcflyer]

Apparently it changed April 1st. New hires no longer get passes of any kind until 6 months. The flight could be empty and they still wouldn't get a seat.

Another indication of what the company thinks of the pilot group.

[Norwegianwood]

This is "Hardball" on the part of AC as it was the pilot group that rained on the TA1 parade, negotiations roll on and they will pull any and all to get as much blood as they can in TA2. Tighten those belts boys and girls and bend over.........

[bcflyer]

This is "Hardball" on the part of AC as it was the pilot group that rained on the TA1 parade, negotiations roll on and they will pull any and all to get as much blood as they can in TA2. Tighten those belts boys and girls and bend over.........

What a defeatist attitude. There is no reason to bend over. In fact the exact opposite reaction is required. Stand up and grow a spine. I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to go the extra mile for a company that just screws you over every chance they get.

I go to work, do my job according to my contract, and go home. No make up, no drafts, no extending duty days etc etc. There is nothing illegal about working to the letter of your contract.

Right now AC is short on pilots and is running on make up/draft pigs. They know there are weak links amongst us and are exploiting that fact. Until we wake up, our working conditions will continue to deteriorate.

[Norwegianwood]

This is "Hardball" on the part of AC as it was the pilot group that rained on the TA1 parade, negotiations roll on and they will pull any and all to get as much blood as they can in TA2. Tighten those belts boys and girls and bend over.........

What a defeatist attitude.

Not defeatist at all bcer, just pointing out what AC expects and until all AC pilots gel together and tell this outfit to go pound sand the rape and pillage will continue.................

[yhzcommuter]

Been commuting out of yhz for almost 12 years. Ive been on reserve at the bottom and senior at the top on various equipment.

It does get better, as well if you can get on a plane that does layovers here such as the emj or the 320 you can find that you do more layovers at home than anywhere else. On a good month I can get it down to 4 days away from home with yhz layovers. At the worst I was gone 18... but it always gets better.

[MackTheKnife]

What a defeatist attitude. There is no reason to bend over. In fact the exact opposite reaction is required. Stand up and grow a spine. I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to go the extra mile for a company that just screws you over every chance they get.

I go to work, do my job according to my contract, and go home. No make up, no drafts, no extending duty days etc etc. There is nothing illegal about working to the letter of your contract.

Right now AC is short on pilots and is running on make up/draft pigs. They know there are weak links amongst us and are exploiting that fact. Until we wake up, our working conditions will continue to deteriorate.

BCFlyer,

Let me guess. You wake up every morning and wonder why the company seems to be constantly on the brink.I have always maintained unions are a "necessary evil". The RM's of the world define the necessary part and your statement defines the "evil" part.

Might I suggest that you are the one with a defeatist attitude. To the employees trying to make AC the best it can be, you are nothing but a noose around their necks.

Without a union for protection, you and others with like attitudes wouldn't last a week in the real world.

MTK

[bcflyer]

What a defeatist attitude. There is no reason to bend over. In fact the exact opposite reaction is required. Stand up and grow a spine. I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to go the extra mile for a company that just screws you over every chance they get.

I go to work, do my job according to my contract, and go home. No make up, no drafts, no extending duty days etc etc. There is nothing illegal about working to the letter of your contract.

Right now AC is short on pilots and is running on make up/draft pigs. They know there are weak links amongst us and are exploiting that fact. Until we wake up, our working conditions will continue to deteriorate.

BCFlyer,

Let me guess. You wake up every morning and wonder why the company seems to be constantly on the brink.I have always maintained unions are a "necessary evil". The RM's of the world define the necessary part and your statement defines the "evil" part.

Might I suggest that you are the one with a defeatist attitude. To the employees trying to make AC the best it can be, you are nothing but a noose around their necks.

Without a union for protection, you and others with like attitudes wouldn't last a week in the real world.

MTK

What a complete load of crap.
Lets start off with your last comment. I lasted 12 yrs in your so called "real" world working in some very shitty places doing a lot of very shitty work so don't talk to me about the "real" world. I worked for companies that appreciated their employees's and I was the guy who always went the extra mile. So whats changed? Since I've been in the AC family I've had far more things done to me than for me. Since I've been here I've had my pay cut, I've had my vacation cut, I've been laid off, I've been told that my very presence demean's our J class while our managers family members travel there all the time, I've been told that I had better not use too many sick days even though I get charged a 10% premium for using them, been told that my pension plan is underfunded even though the company had the money but decided they should give it to the share holders. While all this was going on, the guys running the show were making millions of dollars. Now the company says they want to start another LCC (even though the last two failed miserably) and that we need to give more concessions to make it work even though we're paid less than the more successful LCC in the world. Would you like me to go on?

I don't want AC to fail. Quite the opposite, I want it to prosper. But until I see some of this "mutual respect" CR keeps talking about I will go to work, do my job and go home. I don't drag my feet, I don't fly at .68 when the flight plan says .78, I don't ask for extra fuel just to carry it around, I just do my job.

I know why the company is always on the brink. Its done by design. AC is set up to never show a profit and thats exactly how managment wants it. If CR was doing such a terrible job why would the BOD be giving him a $5,000,000 bonus just to hang around for another year. (As an interesting side note, his bonus would pay for over 120 new hires for a year)

I am not a noose around anyones neck and I certainly don't need a union to keep my job.

[rigpiggy]

CYHZ=Hotel California


You can Check In, but you can never leave.

[Old fella]

Bcflyer..........

When you get my age(retirement) - and you will as there is no other direction, you will realize that what you did in your working life will mean diddly f----- all. You will look back with the attitude and a right one at that, I did my bit, earned a living, supported myself and family( I assume you have one) so all now can kiss my very sweet arse. That is a very powerful tool you will have and, more to the point, earned - bar none!!!. So keep cruising at .78 towards the day..................

[yycflyguy]

Lets start off with your last comment. I lasted 12 yrs in your so called "real" world working in some very shitty places doing a lot of very shitty work so don't talk to me about the "real" world. I worked for companies that appreciated their employees's and I was the guy who always went the extra mile. So whats changed? Since I've been in the AC family I've had far more things done to me than for me. Since I've been here I've had my pay cut, I've had my vacation cut, I've been laid off, I've been told that my very presence demean's our J class while our managers family members travel there all the time, I've been told that I had better not use too many sick days even though I get charged a 10% premium for using them, been told that my pension plan is underfunded even though the company had the money but decided they should give it to the share holders. While all this was going on, the guys running the show were making millions of dollars. Now the company says they want to start another LCC (even though the last two failed miserably) and that we need to give more concessions to make it work even though we're paid less than the more successful LCC in the world. Would you like me to go on?

I don't want AC to fail. Quite the opposite, I want it to prosper. But until I see some of this "mutual respect" CR keeps talking about I will go to work, do my job and go home. I don't drag my feet, I don't fly at .68 when the flight plan says .78, I don't ask for extra fuel just to carry it around, I just do my job.

I know why the company is always on the brink. Its done by design. AC is set up to never show a profit and thats exactly how managment wants it. If CR was doing such a terrible job why would the BOD be giving him a $5,000,000 bonus just to hang around for another year. (As an interesting side note, his bonus would pay for over 120 new hires for a year)

I am not a noose around anyones neck and I certainly don't need a union to keep my job.

Yup. That about sums it up.

[invertedattitude]

If you are considering commuting as a new hire you need to familiarize yourself with this latest release from ACPA regarding the company's expectations for commuting:

New Hire Passes
...At this time, new hire pilots are not provided with regular Company passes until their six month anniversary. Earlier today I confirmed that our new hires can travel on WestJet under the normal flight deck agreement once they are issued a RAIC pass. I would encourage pilots to review all historical data on the subject of WestJet jumpseat travel using the search engine on the ACPA website. It is suggested that new hire pilots travel in uniform and ensure there are several backup flights.

Unbelievable that Air Canada new hires are EXPECTED to travel on Westjet to get to and from work. My personal apologizes to any new hire placed in this situation.

A new alltime low! What an outfit, and acpa calls itself a union (association????)

You do realize that the union doesn't write the collective agreement by itself right?

If unions fought signing a contract for stuff like that nobody would ever work. Yes it's wrong, yes its almost laughable... but at the end of the day, it's pretty small beans at such a large corporation

[Norwegianwood]

You do realize that the union doesn't write the collective agreement by itself right?

If unions fought signing a contract for stuff like that nobody would ever work. Yes it's wrong, yes its almost laughable... but at the end of the day, it's pretty small beans at such a large corporation

Duhhhhhh!! The point here is that West Jet will gladly take them on a jump seat and AC/acpa tell them to catch the greyhound bus..........................?????? WTF

[onspeed]

Makes you wonder if the mgnt is trying to further drive a wedge between your new employees and the rest of the group. If so then for what purpose.