Clifford Olsen near death

[Siddley Hawker]

http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/canada/a ... story.html

Hopefully it'll be painful.

[North Shore]

So long. When you're down there, say 'Hi' to Uncle Bob Mugabe when he arrives!

[Darkwing Duck]

I hope the SOB will be in severe pain and the nurses show this animal no compassion. May his soul burn forever in Hell.

[Rockie]

He's a human being and I would like to think that I could feel some compassion for the man. But I just can't.

He is an unrepentant child killer who spent the remainder of his miserable life tormenting the parents of his innocent victims.

May he rot for eternity in hell...if there is such a thing.

[mcrit]

It will be cold when Olsen gets down there...........because this is the day I agree with Rockie.

[robertsailor1]

Well I can't agree with Rockie cause unfortunately he's just going to die and turn into bug food like the rest of us...no flames forever or horned devil, that's all make believe but if the term just meant you didn't like what he did then I'm in your corner. The Father of one of his victims worked for me for several years so I'm quite familiar with what an animal the guy was.

[shitdisturber]

I'm quite familiar with the agony cancer sufferers go through, having watched my father fight and eventually lose a battle with it when I was a teenager. For stuff like that my catchphrase has generally been, "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy!" However, since Olsen isn't my enemy, I guess I'm free to hope he goes through all the agony he so richly deserves!

[. ._]

Kinda makes ya against capital punishment in a way, doesn't it?

[Colonel Sanders]

In his case, a lifetime of pain would be better than a quick merciful death.

[rigpiggy]

turn his care over to the family of the victims, most likely he'll be on morphine, with lucy, and the sky with diamonds.

Yes I am a callous man

[Nark]

This perplexes me:

Here in the US we have Capital Punishment. It's great.
However there is the crowd that protest's out front of the Pen's that oppose it, when a high profile person is about to meet their maker.

There was three executions this past week that sparked interest, well only two.
Two dudes who claimed there innocence, and another asshole who dragged another man behind his truck.

There was little fanfare, or protest during the execution of "asshole" who dragged the person behind his truck.
Just goes to show you the hypocrisy in pinko-liberal crowd.

[Rockie]

This perplexes me:

Here in the US we have Capital Punishment. It's great.
However there is the crowd that protest's out front of the Pen's that oppose it, when a high profile person is about to meet their maker.

There was three executions this past week that sparked interest, well only two.
Two dudes who claimed there innocence, and another asshole who dragged another man behind his truck.

There was little fanfare, or protest during the execution of "asshole" who dragged the person behind his truck.
Just goes to show you the hypocrisy in pinko-liberal crowd.

"At least 48 people have been released from prison after serving time on death row since 1930 with significant evidence of their innocence.[3] In 43 of these cases, the defendant was subsequently acquitted, pardoned, or charges were dropped. In three of the cases, a compromise was reached and the defendants were immediately released upon pleading to a lesser offense. In the remaining two cases, one defendant was released when the parole board became convinced of his innocence, and the other was acquitted at a retrial of the capital charge but convicted of lesser related charges. These five cases are indicated with an asterisk (*)."

I didn't bother posting the names or circumstances but that's available from the same web page. There are no statistics on how many innocent people have actually been executed. Down in the USA, particularly Texas, it's important that somebody pays the ultimate penalty for murder. The right person paying that penalty is not quite as important.

Nobody would argue Clifford Olsen deserved capital punishment like few other people, but where do you draw the line? What do you say to the family of somebody wrongly executed?

"Oops..sorry".

[straightpilot]

The advantage of capital punishment, as I see it, is that it saves the taxpayer $100,000 for every remaining year that the nasty fellow will live. You certainly don't want to ever release him, because of the high probability (certainty) of him re-offending.

I don't see capital punishment as very good revenge. They don't use the electric chair any more. IIRC they use a 3-stage chemical process which is pretty merciful, quick and painless. They don't deserve that easy way out.

I would release Clifford Olsen into the prison population. They would take care of him.

The main problem with capital punishment is that you have to make sure you have the right guy. As OJ Simpson showed us all, with enough money, you can get off.

DNA testing has shown us all how worthless eyewitness testimony is, and how often the cops bungle investigations and fixate on one suspect and ignore other leads, often suppressing evidence that doesn't agree with their theory. Annoyingly, when such prosecutorial misconduct is exposed, rarely is any punishment meted out.

So actually, I'm against capital punishment. Release them to the general prison population, and say "hi" to Jeffry Dalmer for me.

[Nark]

I'll dust of my criminal justice hat for a minute...

First off, punishment; such as penalty of death is not revenge. It is a deterrent (which is clearly not effective is many cases)*. Neither is life behind bars.

Secondly,

48 martyrs. Call it collateral damage, if you will. Figure out the percentage of those who have been put to death. Get back to me.

Again, hypocrisy at it's finest. Why should Clifford Olsen be put to death, yet some un-nammed person sitting on death row in Alabama be spared?



Capital punishment should not be decided on by a jury or by a bench trial, but rather the victim's family should decide the fate of the convicted.


*In that, these crimes are still committed knowing that death would be the resultant penalty.

[Rockie]

48 martyrs. Call it collateral damage, if you will.

You have got to be kidding.

Again, hypocrisy at it's finest. Why should Clifford Olsen be put to death, yet some un-nammed person sitting on death row in Alabama be spared?

What hypocricy? I never said he should be put to death, I said he deserved it like few others. Not the same thing, and if it were up to me I would have him rot in prison for the rest of his life over executing him. Wanting someone executed is an emotional response, not a practical one that recognizes the failings of the criminal justice system that sometimes gets it wrong.

[Nark]

Sometimes I'm blunt and to the point. Does this surprise you?

I'd say the "calming period" has ended on a number of cases, and yep, some asshole's still need to die for their actions. Hell, I'll even put my .40cal Glock to use and save the taxpayer money. Lord knows we need reprieve in that department here...

Our systems isn't perfect, but it's far from broke.

Our Constitution has many, many protections built into it. Look at the first 10 amendments for example.

I'd be interested to know, how many people have appealed their convictions (death sentence), and had them overturned?

To play devils advocate, why can't Clifford Olsen sit in prison and watch cable TV, eat 3 squares a day, and sleep at night? After all, it's only 11 kids that will never get to graduate high school, drive a car, go to prom etc...

[azimuthaviation]

Capital punishment should not be decided on by a jury or by a bench trial, but rather the victim's family should decide the fate of the convicted.

Well well, look who's advocating Sharia law.

"In Islamic law, as expressed in the Qurʾān, capital punishment is condoned. Although the Qurʾān prescribes the death penalty for several ḥadd (fixed) crimes—including robbery, adultery, and apostasy of Islam—murder is not among them. Instead, murder is treated as a civil crime and is covered by the law of qiṣās (retaliation), whereby the relatives of the victim decide whether the offender is punished with death by the authorities or made to pay diyah (wergild) as compensation."

[robertsailor1]

Yup the muslims like to kill the poor folks just like the Americans. In America, if you have money you can hire a team of great lawyers and stand an excellent chance of beating the rap. Poor folks can't so you guys kill lots of them.
The muslims like people with money as well, hence the term "blood money" and if you are rich you write big cheques but again you get off. So they like to kill poor folks as well.
In this country we have had just to many screw ups from crooked cops to lying Doctors, you name it we've screwed it up so we don't dare allow Government to decide if someone should be executed. Our only choice is to forget the Christian concept of an eye for an eye and just jail the bastards knowing full well as time goes on that we'll be cutting a few of them some very large cheques because we got it wrong. Seems the best way knowing how poor the legal system works, note I didn't say justice system.

[Rockie]

Our Constitution has many, many protections built into it.

Well isn't that nice. How does your constitution protect an innocent person after they're dead?

I'd be interested to know, how many people have appealed their convictions (death sentence), and had them overturned?

I'd be interest to know how many innocent death row inmates tried to have their sentences commuted and weren't successful.

To play devils advocate, why can't Clifford Olsen sit in prison and watch cable TV, eat 3 squares a day, and sleep at night? After all, it's only 11 kids that will never get to graduate high school, drive a car, go to prom etc...

Olson confessed to 11 murders but he claims to have committed many, many more than that, and there is really no reason to doubt it. Nobody including me will mourn his death but dying on his own is very different than a state sanctioned execution. I asked you before but you didn't answer, where do you draw the line? Where do you make the distinction between guilty enough to be convicted but enough doubt to not impose a death penalty?

How many innocent people wrongly executed are justified for every Clifford Olson, and are they any less a victim than those kids just because it's the state killing them?

[Darkwing Duck]

He's a human being and I would like to think that I could feel some compassion for the man. But I just can't.

He is an unrepentant child killer who spent the remainder of his miserable life tormenting the parents of his innocent victims.

May he rot for eternity in hell...if there is such a thing.

This "human being" as you call him is not worth the dog shit I wiped off my shoes. No human being would do what he did. This scum is a monster. Nothing less. And yes, there is a Hell.

So long. When you're down there, say 'Hi' to Uncle Bob Mugabe when he arrives!

This guy likes Uncle Bob...http://www.bob.co.za/

Again, hypocrisy at it's finest. Why should Clifford Olsen be put to death, yet some un-nammed person sitting on death row in Alabama be spared?

What hypocricy? I never said he should be put to death, I said he deserved it like few others. Not the same thing, and if it were up to me I would have him rot in prison for the rest of his life over executing him.

How can you say he deserves capital punishment it without meaning he should be put to death? Is this not one and the same? I have to agree with Nark on this one as I read it the same way he did. I agree he should of been released into general pop, and then turn the blind eye. Final conclusion in death report, Multiple punctures, lacerations and bruising to body from slipping on a bar of soap in the shower.

[robertsailor1]

NO Rockie.. 50+ stab wounds and considered to be the worst case of suicide in our history.

[North Shore]

quote]Our systems isn't perfect, but it's far from broke.[/quote]

If it starts executing innocent people, then it's broke. I can think of several Canadian examples of 'guilty' Canadians who probably would have been given the death penalty - Michael Milgaard is one. If the population of the USA is 10x that of Canada, that's a whole load of innocent people put to death.

[Darkwing Duck]

That would be David Milgaard who was wrongly convicted.

There have been people who have been put to death everywhere in the world for a crime they did not commit. But if we know that they are guilty beyond a doubt, like Robert Pickton, Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo, Russ Williams, then as far as I am concerned, hang the bastards from their testicals. Then shoot the SOBs in front of a firing squad. Or fry them in a chair. No humane way of snuffing them out. There is enough technology in the DNA field to convict or clear anyone associated with a crime like murder. If there is a reasonable doubt then they do not get the ax. Why should we leave some monster locked up for 40 or so years costing us more money a year to keep then the what average household brings in? Give these animals a sentence of death but do not give a date. Let them sweat it out. Everytime that cell door clangs they will be thinking, "is this my time to be a dead man walking?" Why should they get a date of execution, their victims didn't have this choice. Hence the reason I am for bringing back the death penalty into this country.

[BTD]

You realize that if they are convicted it is because the jury believed beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it. Therefore everyone in prison for murder meets your criteria for execution.

There is enough technology in the DNA field to convict or clear anyone associated with a crime like murder

No there isn't necessarily. Refer to cases of people released after conviction. There isn't always DNA evidence, it is not always handled correctly, it could be misleading to the actual cause. DNA is analyzed by humans. And humans make mistakes.

[Wilbur]

There is no logical arguement that can be made in support of the death penalty; it is purely an emmotional revenge based idea. For someone planning a murder, a death penalty carries no greater deterrent value than a life sentence. In reality, these perpetrators generally don't believe they will be caught so they don't care what the penalty is. In terms of the cost of keep, removing a few 1st degree murders from the prison population by execution won't have much impact. It won't result in closing any prisons, getting rid of staff, etc. Most of the system expenses will remain, but averaged over a smaller number of inmates. However, security for "death row" unit is considerably more expensive and inmates facing death tend to exhaust every possible appeal avenue. Hence, it is actually more expensive to execute someone than it is to house them for life.

In the specific example of Clifford Olsen, I was involved with his case early in my career. Had he been facing a death penalty, he would not likely have been so cooperative with police. It is an absolute certainty he would have committed more murders before being caught, likely many more, and he might never have disclosed the locations of victims remains.

There are too many mistakes made in the criminal justice system. Life sentences can be overturned and at least some level of reparation made to the wrongly convicted (victims themselves). There is nothing that can be done for wrongly executed.