How much is enough?
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How much is enough?
Hi,
Just wondering what are my chances and where is my profile suitable for Canada.
I am a new immigrant with permanent resident status. I have been flying in south america DC-9s and ATR-42. My current license is CPL but I am taking my ATP conversion from the FAA and expect to be full ATP in Canada by the end of the month.
TT: 1560
TURBINE: 1350
PIC: 200
I see that they require more PIC time than what I currently have. Would this be an issue or is it something I may be able to get around with?
Your comments and thoughts are very much appreciated.
Good luck to all of you!
Just wondering what are my chances and where is my profile suitable for Canada.
I am a new immigrant with permanent resident status. I have been flying in south america DC-9s and ATR-42. My current license is CPL but I am taking my ATP conversion from the FAA and expect to be full ATP in Canada by the end of the month.
TT: 1560
TURBINE: 1350
PIC: 200
I see that they require more PIC time than what I currently have. Would this be an issue or is it something I may be able to get around with?
Your comments and thoughts are very much appreciated.
Good luck to all of you!
Re: How much is enough?
Not to burst your bubble. but you probably won't get an atp in canada with that time. TC would look poorly on converting an atp without meeting canadian standards.
Re: How much is enough?
Not an issue, because I will convert my FAA ATP license.
I spoke with TC and they said that if I do the conversion with the special FAA TC agreement I will be entitled a Canadian ATPL.
This is what is required for FAA ATP holder to convert it to Canada:
"Hold an FAA airline transport pilot certificate with Airplane Multi-engine class rating and a minimum of 900 hours airplane category flight time. Flight Engineer time will not be credited."
for your reference here is a link of the agreement.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... a-2393.htm
I hope that I helps someone else too!
I spoke with TC and they said that if I do the conversion with the special FAA TC agreement I will be entitled a Canadian ATPL.
This is what is required for FAA ATP holder to convert it to Canada:
"Hold an FAA airline transport pilot certificate with Airplane Multi-engine class rating and a minimum of 900 hours airplane category flight time. Flight Engineer time will not be credited."
for your reference here is a link of the agreement.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... a-2393.htm
I hope that I helps someone else too!
Re: How much is enough?
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Re: How much is enough?
I already have my canadian CPL.
Another thing is that TC has a separate agreement for license conversions from FAA holders than for any other ICAO license holders.
If you look at TC website, they state what the agreement is and tests that are required to have the canadian license granted.
If there is an ICAO pilot wishing to convert his license in Canada, he would most likely have to pass a theoretical, and practical test. This is not the case for FAA applicants that want to convert. For FAA license holders, there is only a 25 theoretical question test and no further examination is required.
FYI: the full agreement is here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... on-480.htm
A detailed brief summary of the whole agreement may be found here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... a-2393.htm
So my question is, where should I start or be suitable for a job in Canada?
Thanks for your comments
Another thing is that TC has a separate agreement for license conversions from FAA holders than for any other ICAO license holders.
If you look at TC website, they state what the agreement is and tests that are required to have the canadian license granted.
If there is an ICAO pilot wishing to convert his license in Canada, he would most likely have to pass a theoretical, and practical test. This is not the case for FAA applicants that want to convert. For FAA license holders, there is only a 25 theoretical question test and no further examination is required.
FYI: the full agreement is here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... on-480.htm
A detailed brief summary of the whole agreement may be found here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... a-2393.htm
So my question is, where should I start or be suitable for a job in Canada?
Thanks for your comments
Re: How much is enough?
I stand corrected... I just read your link, it appears you are right. Interesting!
Re: How much is enough?
You seem to know it all already and you can't find a list of operators to apply to? Cheesus...batikd6b wrote:So my question is...
Re: How much is enough?
I have my list of companies, I have sent applications left and right but I haven't got any feedback yet. I was expecting a little guidance to have some kind of reference as to which companies I should be trying for.
Like I said, I provided that information so people may take advantage of it. Thats why we are here for people helping out each other.
If you didn't see it that way I'm sorry for you but hopefully someone may find it useful. Just like I may find useful any of other people comments.
All I need is some guidance.
Thanks!
Like I said, I provided that information so people may take advantage of it. Thats why we are here for people helping out each other.
If you didn't see it that way I'm sorry for you but hopefully someone may find it useful. Just like I may find useful any of other people comments.
All I need is some guidance.
Thanks!
Re: How much is enough?
Hey don't give up, as you can tell its a very competitive field here in Canada, few jobs for many hungry pilots!!!
congrats on your landed immigrant status, some operators might prefer a Canadian Passport.. however don't let that discourage you. with your experience I would target corporate operators that are looking for a co-pilot on a light jet etc....
Good luck and welcome to Canada
congrats on your landed immigrant status, some operators might prefer a Canadian Passport.. however don't let that discourage you. with your experience I would target corporate operators that are looking for a co-pilot on a light jet etc....
Good luck and welcome to Canada

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Re: How much is enough?
AYE YI YI!!!! All the guy asked for was some sturdy opinions and we gotta crap on him? To quote Bobby Ryan: "Everyone says Canadians are so nice....that is SO NOT true!"
With 1500 TT, the only thing you might be competitive for is a right seat of a King Air or the like my friend (ATPL or not). North America (And Canada in particular) is all about PIC time. To be more specific, multi turbine pic time is where the gold is at. You can have all the Jet hours in the world, but without PIC time, all it's going to be good for is getting you into a job where you get PIC time. You could expect to sit right seat on a King Air, or a Metro, or ______ of the like (maybe an ATR if you manage to luck out a spot there, based on your time on it) for a year or two, then go left seat and build that PIC time.
There is always talk of a mass exodus of retiring pilots coming up that is expected to cause a pilot shortage at the regional level. I believe we have begun to see the early stages of it, though I don't think it will be near what people hype it to be, I do believe there will be a steady trickle of hiring beginning in the next few years, so that could be promising. It is always a risk to come here, and it will be what you make of it.
Want any more info, PM me. Best of luck to you.
With 1500 TT, the only thing you might be competitive for is a right seat of a King Air or the like my friend (ATPL or not). North America (And Canada in particular) is all about PIC time. To be more specific, multi turbine pic time is where the gold is at. You can have all the Jet hours in the world, but without PIC time, all it's going to be good for is getting you into a job where you get PIC time. You could expect to sit right seat on a King Air, or a Metro, or ______ of the like (maybe an ATR if you manage to luck out a spot there, based on your time on it) for a year or two, then go left seat and build that PIC time.
There is always talk of a mass exodus of retiring pilots coming up that is expected to cause a pilot shortage at the regional level. I believe we have begun to see the early stages of it, though I don't think it will be near what people hype it to be, I do believe there will be a steady trickle of hiring beginning in the next few years, so that could be promising. It is always a risk to come here, and it will be what you make of it.
Want any more info, PM me. Best of luck to you.
Re: How much is enough?
True.... PIC is what a most operators are going to be looking at. I know a few guys with 1000+ MPIC hrs that are taking Kingair captain jobs so you'll need to sit right seat for a while.
Jazz is hiring again... I think they're mins are 1500hrs and you just need to have your ATPL exams written (or converted) not sure how that all works.
Jazz is hiring again... I think they're mins are 1500hrs and you just need to have your ATPL exams written (or converted) not sure how that all works.
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